apart from the noble imperatives of christian charity, the society's rather tepid response to the need for emergency assistance in the aftermath of the wtc tragedy across the harbor illustrates how calcified the thinking of their leadsership has become.. i know, they've accepted a few overnight jw guests and accommodated some others, but when measured against the magnitude of their resources, these meager photo-op and pr-op gestures are tiny.. by failing to sieze the moment, they blew a priceless opportunity to cut a a firebreak across what they must know will be a maelstrom of publice outrage and criticism when the dateline story runs.
NYtelecon is right we have to find out first if the WT is helping. So with that in mind let me be the first to tel you guys that having worked now three days at ground Zero, I have yat to see or hear of any donations or relief help coming from the WTS.
If they did they would have been registered by now just like every other org. that has donated millions.
It's sad as I was looking at the list of all donations made by so many companies I came across a donation of $1000 made by a group of kids in Mississpi.
Now how pathetic is that? That the WTS can't even donate that amount to the victims families? And We have to wait on kids to take the lead?
There's your answer NYtelecom. If you are indeed in NY then you of all should know. If not get another call name...you don't deserve to carry the name.
only two buldings left of the complex of seven as the 2 more crumble to the pressure tonight.. we were all evacuated to a distance of 8 blocks from 1 liberty plaza where we were working.. over 500 dump trucks full of debris was already taken out by the time i left the scene.. f-15/16 and tomcat freedom fighters have been patrolling the nyc airways with instructions to "down" any and all unauthorized aircraft.. the financial center has a huge crack on it's side and there is fear that it also might go.. its really a horrific site.
we just pray that maybe there might be people in the underground parking of the towers.
as many of you remember, they were reinforced after the 93 bombing.
Only two buldings left of the complex of seven as the 2 more crumble to the pressure tonight.
We were all evacuated to a distance of 8 blocks from 1 liberty plaza where we were working.
Over 500 dump trucks full of debris was already taken out by the time I left the scene.
F-15/16 and Tomcat freedom fighters have been patrolling the NYC airways with instructions to "Down" any and all unauthorized aircraft.
The Financial center has a huge crack on it's side and there is fear that it also might go.
Its really a horrific site. We just pray that maybe there might be people in the underground parking of the towers. As many of you remember, they were reinforced after the 93 bombing. It's several floors deep so again thats what we're hoping for.
At least there were four more people found. I did not see them personally, but thats more than alright. As long as they are ok.
I'm going to shower now and get this odor of burnt ashes off of me. Most of Manhattan now smells of ashes with the wind carrying the smell to all parts.
I still can't beleive this. I will say this: If we do go to war with whoever is responsible, I'll volunteer to re-activate myself into full time active duty. Someone will pay...they will pay big time.
Well they have finally done it. They finally took our towers down. The towers that I used to visit so much as a kid and adult. My twin towers.
I was mobilized yesterday as part of the NYPD as the city went into it's highest security alert. All personell was activated wether you were off duty or not. There were "freezes" throughout the city mostly 1 block around all official buildings.
Noone could get into a police precint. Noone could leave the city through any of the bridges. (they are now opened for outbound trraffic only-but of course noone is leaving because then they can't get back in). There was hours and hours of endless traffic jams of people who could not get home. The trains and city buses were taken out of service. People including my sister had to walk for miles and miles to get home. My sister walked 11.5 from her job located at NYU downtown Manhattan to the very northern tip of Manhattan where she resides.
But the biggest saddness was ground Zero...there must be anywhere between 15 and 20 stories of debris. News pictures and videos help to capture whats going on, but looking at it live makes you marvel at the amount of steel and glass and bricks that were used to make these towers.
I was out working from 10am until 12 midnight and will return at about 12pm. It's truely incredible.
What gets me pissed is that already JW's are talking about the prophecies are getting fulfilled. Morons.
Mav.
P.S. Oh well Exodus, I guess you are going to be on a long vacation. (he worked at one of the towers)....very lucky you took that late shift 11-7..glad your ok bro.
here are just a few thoughts to discuss and to keep myself distracted for now.. there are only two organizations that routinely reward and bless major screw-ups:.
If a brother gets made elder and seems to be all spiritual for years but then later it is found that he was having an adulterous affair with a poineer for years, then it was Jehovah who "allowed" this to happen because it was "necassary" to have this individual removed from the org., or at least have him humbled.
But if he were to work out just fine and be an example to everyone, then it was jehovah who blessed the congo. with the much needed help!
And that kind of reasoning is what keeps the org. in power. They can get pretty silly and stupid about it also, like I remember an elder who once told me when I was able to find parking right away(we did not have a lot) that that was Jehovahs angel who saved that spot for me! He was completly serious.
Then on another occasion, this same elder told me, when I arrived late to the meeting because I could not find parking, that, that was Satan trying to get me to miss the meeting!!!
I remember that about every 5 years or so, he would get drunk and cry for hours looking at a photo album whiched contained pics of all of his friends that never came back. He never ever talked to us about it. I found out more information when he past away in Jan. this year and I went through all his papers.
to the "inquisition" of these days... that is on jw.com... may you have peace.. because there seems to be a 'movement' to 'expose' me as false, and judge and condemn me as a 'jezebel' and more... i would hereby like to confess my 'sins' and 'errors'... and repent my actions/inactions... before you... and all onlookers... if you will permit me.
thank you.. i confess... that i am a servant to the household of god, israel, and a slave of christ, by means of an anointing with holy spirit, which i received directly from the person of my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mischajah.. i confess... that i have been given the 'free gift' of holy spirit, in the form of hearing spirits, discerning inspired utterances, so that i hear not only the voice of my lord, the but voices of various spirits, so i am able to relate to others that hear, as well as those that do not hear... what the spirit says to the congregation.. i confess... that i have been freely given other 'gifts' of that same spirit, which gifts manifest themselves in me in various ways and which gifts i have not attempted to hide from anyone... man... or god.. i confess... that i have a love for my father and my lord to such an extent that i would subject myself to public humiliation, before all men, bear reproach now... and endure a 'torture stake' for the glory that awaits me, which glory i have nought but faith in, because i have heard of its certainty... and received my 'sealing'... directly from the one the promised such glory, my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mishajah.. i confess... that i have agreed to 'repay' my lord for his love and kindness... the undeserved kindness granted me... in the only way that i can... by obeying his voice and going to the household of god, those that go with them, and any others who are 'thirsting' and 'wishing'... and telling them that the same gifts and glories undeservedly afforded me... can be granted to them as well.. i confess... that as a true servant to the household of god, by means of undeserved kindness, i have been granted to know the fruit of my father's spirit that is love... for all of mankind... including my enemies.
a love such it compels me to tell what i hear to those who wish to hear of it, even at risk to my own spirit... whether they hear... or they refrain.. i confess... that contrary to what is 'usual' among so-called professed 'christians' and 'anointed', i have not sought to compel people to follow me, or to join any church, religion or other institution of 'theology', and will not, but instead, have asked and spoken only that any who 'hear'... and any who wish to hear... hear... and follow the voice of the fine shepherd, my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mischajah.... i repent... that i am but mere flesh and blood, a woman, a 'foolish thing' and 'weaker vessel', so that i do not always have the strength to stand against the opposition facing me, although i have wished no harm, no evil, no malice toward any.. i repent... that at times my forehead is not as hard as flint, and my heart is not so protected so as not to feel fright when facing off with my adversary and his agents.. i repent... that i do not possess in me the gifts of the spirit that grant miracles, such that those who do not believe can have the 'scales' removed from their eyes so as to see the things 'unseen', things almost too glorious for me to utter... with their own eyes... rather than simply ask for and be granted the 'free gift' of holy spirit and see for themselves.... i repent... that i do not possess in me the 'perfect' love that would move me to not feel hurt and pain when derided and ridiculed, but be able to say to my father, as did my lord, "forgive them father, for they do not know what they do.
Don't feel bad AG, I believe you (patting you on the back). Everyone is just jealous ' cause you get to talk to the "Spirits" and we don't. But thats ok, now go to your room while I fix you a niiiiiice cup of cocoa. Would you like that AG?, huh,...really..with marshmellows? What? you gotta go potty first, ok, go on ahead Ag and I'll get your cocoa.
(psssssst, everyone stop discouraging AG, you see what you've done? Now he's upset)
Some time ago on H2o, I think Kent (if Im not mistaken)posted a document that shows how in Norway the Govt gives a certain amount of $$ to the different religions depending on the number of members.
Well it seems that the WTS lied on their application to the Gov't and claimed more JW's than they really had. This was proven because in that same year in the yearbook the society printed a lesser amount of JWs. Evidently they were still counting the inactives and disfellowshipped to rake in the $$.
If Kent did not post this, I'm pretty sure he would have the article and scanned copy of the application. Randy over at Freeminds might also have it.
i was wondering if anyone was privy to any insider information about whether or not the society has seen the need to cut back on the meetings to possibly 2 or even just 1 meeting a week?
Exactly Amazing. Not only that remember that with everytime they get together, it's the more likely that they will remember to drop a little something in the contribution box. If there were only 1 meeting a week, and you were to forget to "donate" once or twice, that would be devastating to the WTBTS.
In the end all that matters to keep the Org. in business is the same with any other-$$$Money!
not counting your personal regrets, what was the greatest waste of life and talent you ran across in the organization.. i have 2:.
1. a guy who was a brilliant grand master chess player who gave it up when he became a witness.. 2. a beautiful young lady that i dated (the last i dated) who gave up a scholarship to julliard school for music to study opera and who was working as a bank teller.. can people be prosecuted for murdering dreams?.
There was a singer/bass player in my school band (H.S.) who had an amazing voice.
So much was the case that we played (I played the Sax with the group, he sang) several times at the Apollo theatre in harlem NYC. After our 4th gig there, he was approached by a "scout" from A&R in Sony.
Although we were all excited, he was an aspiring young pioneer who had goals to become a bethelite, elder,C.O. and everything else in the success ladder in the WTBTS.
We were good friends, being that we were both witnesses and all. Although the rest of the group was highly upset at him and tried their damndest to convince him to take the contract, he would not budge.
I felt like telling him also to take the deal, but I was supposed to be the one to "stand by his side" being that I supposedly had the same goals.
Our music theory teacher, Mr. Benjamin was so upset that I don't know how he even continued talking to us.
Oh well, could have been in the "big league" but thanks to the Borg. , I had to settle for waking up at 6 on Sat. to go out and do "street work".
i've watched his program every once in awhile and have wondered if he is actually feeling "energy" from those who have passed or if he, like the wts says, is just actually receiving messages from satan and his demons.. i have actually been struggling with that issue.
I've watched his program every once in awhile and have wondered if he is actually feeling "energy" from those who have passed or if he, like the WTS says, is just actually receiving messages from Satan and his demons.
I have actually been struggling with that issue. Do we actually die in the sense that we were taught being a JW, which means no consciousness and that death is final, unless we get resurrected? This point, can be as most of you, can be argued with the Bible. Whether it is the correct interpretation or not it can be used (the WTBTS interpretation) to convince many people. Heck, there was a time that it convinced me. To say not would only be a lie.
Or is there some type of life after death where we can "watch over" our loved ones and hang out in heaven and just chill in this "other" type of life or consciousness?
I'm aware of the different texts in the Bible, which can be used to prove that we all go to heaven, but still I'm not convinced of either interpretation.
What do you guys think?
JW's need not answer for I already know your answer.
