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To ALL Those with "Ears" to "Hea...
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and all those that 'go with' them... may you all have peace!.
very soon now, a time of "offering" will be upon you.
many of you will attend an annual "ceremony" where the blood and flesh of christ will be offered to you.
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Court Case Proof Jws Do Not Obey Jesus
by Kenneson inmatt.
10:14 is undeniable evidence that jws do not follow what jesus advocates.
"if anyone does not receive you or listen to what you have to say, leave that house or town, and once outside shake its dust from your feet.
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Patriot
Very good point Ken, I've never thgought about it that way.
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How many hours are falsely reported?
by badboy inin the january 1 issue of each year, they harp on about how many hours the jws did last year etc etc.. how many hours are possibly falsely reported?.
discuss,please
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Patriot
There was a time where the building committee neede volunteeres to go and scout out new locations of future kingdom halls. Well I was part of the crew.
Our instructions included that any time spent by us driving around looking for these sites could be and should be counted as time on service.
So lets see: About 3 hours a day times 4 of us hanging out in the car a driving around looking at chicks ,I mean empty building sites, times 2 or 3 times a week for about 7 months= about 1008 hous worth of "Preaching the good news".
So you figure if the majority of the hours spent on service is phony or not.
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Patriot
Quedas disculpada.
Oye pero que ridiculo se ponen estas gentes cuando no entienden algo!
Verdaderamente increible!
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Patriot
Is Gozz that fine looking girl in the Pic?
If so its the Jws loss.
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Ex-Priest in Child Abuse Case Sentenced to 9 to 10
by Patriot infebruary 22, 2002. ex-priest in child abuse case sentenced to 9 to 10 years.
by pam belluck.
john geoghan being escorted from court on thursday after sentencing.
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February 22, 2002
Ex-Priest in Child Abuse Case Sentenced to 9 to 10 Years
By PAM BELLUCKJohn Geoghan being escorted from court on Thursday after sentencing. He has been accused of molesting more than 130 children over 30 years.
AMBRIDGE, Mass., Feb. 21 — A priest whose sexual abuse of boys has ignited a scandal in the Roman Catholic church in Boston received the maximum sentence of 9 to 10 years today for fondling a 10-year- old in a swimming pool.
The defrocked priest, John J. Geoghan Jr., has been accused of molesting more than 130 children over 30 years in half a dozen parishes. Evidence that church officials badly mishandled his case had reached the highest echelons of the church hierarchy here, forcing Cardinal Bernard F. Law to apologize and fueling calls for his resignation.
In sentencing Mr. Geoghan (pronounced GAY-gan), Judge Sandra Hamlin of Superior Court in Middlesex County harshly criticized his actions. "This defendant hid behind his collar," Judge Hamlin said, calling Mr. Geoghan's behavior "reprehensible and depraved." She said his victims were helpless.
"They were unprotected," the judge added. "The defendant thought that no one would believe them."
Mr. Geoghan is one of about 24 priests to be sentenced to prison for abusing children, said David Clohessy, national director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, a support group.
"That certainly is among the more steep sentences," Mr. Clohessy said, adding that he was encouraged by "the increased willingness by prosecutors and judges to treat the church like any other institution."
Mr. Geoghan could be eligible for parole in six years.
Judge Hamlin ordered him to be placed on probation for life, facing strict monitoring. She sent Mr. Geoghan directly behind bars, even though Geoffrey Packard, his lawyer, intends to appeal. Mr. Packard said after the sentencing that it was difficult to say anything to mitigate his client's behavior, because "any explanation is looked upon as a justification or a rationalization."
He said the sentencing had stunned Mr. Geoghan. "He's just been sentenced to state prison," Mr. Packard said, "and he's 66 years old, and he's never been in an institution other than the Roman Catholic Church in his life."
The case has set off disclosures here and elsewhere about how the Catholic church has often handled pedophile priests, allowing them to remain in parishes, not reporting their activities to law enforcement authorities and settling victims' suits in secret.
Cardinal Law, the nation's senior Catholic leader, publicly apologized last month for letting Mr. Geoghan be reassigned to a parish even though he knew of the priest's long history of pedophilia. Documents released in civil suits by people who say Mr. Geoghan molested them suggest that church officials were more concerned with avoiding scandal than ensuring that he had no further contact with children.
Many of the archdiocese's two million Catholics have called for the cardinal to resign. Three times, he has explained why he would not step down.
In recent weeks, the archdiocese has given prosecutors the names of nearly 90 priests accused of molesting children. Nine of those were practicing. They have been suspended.
Other dioceses, including those in New Hampshire and Maine, have begun to give law enforcement officials the names of priests accused of molestation.
The sentence today, on a charge of indecent assault and battery, was striking, in part because it was given in a case that involved less severe accusations against Mr. Geoghan than those that have been made by dozens of boys, some of whom have said he raped them.
Mr. Geoghan's accuser in this case, now a 20-year-old college student, testified that in 1991, when he was 9 or 10, Mr. Geoghan offered to help him practice diving at a suburban Boys and Girls Club. The young man said Mr. Geoghan coached him for about 15 minutes and then squeezed his buttocks with his hand.
Mr. Packard, Mr. Geoghan's lawyer, pointed out in the trial that the witness did not remember the exact day, time or year of the incident and that some of his recollections differed from those of his mother.
Judge Hamlin said her sentence was not motivated by "the action or inactions of other priests or of the Roman Catholic Church." She said she made her decision based on this case, on Mr. Geoghan's admitted history of pedophilia and his attitude toward the accusations against him.
"There is no doubt the defendant is dangerous," Judge Hamlin said, adding that Mr. Geoghan should be severely punished because "he would use his office and his position as a Catholic priest to target" boys from broken homes. The judge said Mr. Geoghan, a small puckish-looking man who chatted with his sister and chuckled during much of the trial, showed "a total lack of concern for the damage his sexual molestation may have done."
The sentencing memorandum that prosecutors submitted to the judge includes a memorandum by Mr. Geoghan that offers a critique of an evaluation of him by doctors at an institute in 1995. The doctors wrote, "Father Geoghan has a long history of pedophilic behavior."
In his critique, Mr. Geoghan suggested that his behavior was somehow prompted by the fact that the children he encountered were "from dysfunctional families" who needed affection and, in some cases, were unable "to distinguish between normal and abnormal, good or bad, right or wrong."
The archdiocese has settled 50 civil suits against Mr. Geoghan and church officials for a total of $10 million. Some 84 civil suits against him and the church are pending, as are 2 other criminal trials.
The archdiocese issued a statement saying it was pleased by the sentence. "While we hope today's sentencing brings some measure of peace to victims, we also understand it cannot erase the tragic scarring many individuals have suffered," the statement said. "This case has helped trigger the comprehensive reform of the archdiocese's policies with regard to sexual misconduct by clergy."
For people who say Mr. Geoghan abused them, that could not be a better outcome.
"It's just a small first step in filtering out all pedophiles out of my church," said Patrick McSorley, 27, who said he was molested when he was 12 and Mr. Geoghan took him out for ice cream to comfort him after his father committed suicide. "He was never a priest. He's a predator."
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What Prince Doing these days?
by Patriot indoes he go to all his meetings and comment at them?
and if he does, what do they call him?
"brother prince..you had a comment?".
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Patriot
Really,...What is he doing? Does he go to all his meetings and comment at them? And if he does, what do they call him? "Brother Prince..you had a comment?"
The brother formerly known as Prince?
Does he go out on service? What would you do if you saw him at your door without his spandex or his high heeled boots? Would you go ahead and take the mags. because its him?
What about the book study? That has got to be a real trip. Could you imagine him going to someones home every week? There has got to be photographers all over him (from at least the gossip newspapers).
Or do you think he gets a free pass for bookstudy because he's Prince?Why do you think he bacame a witness? Was it that he's going through what a lot of rich and famous people go through? the feeling of "emptyness" because you have no spiritual life?
These are probably stupid things to talk about, but I just got up this morning wondering about how he's doing as a Jw.
Anyone in his hometown or Congo?
I tell you though, a pool party at his house has got to be 'da Bomb!
..."hey everyone..Prince said that after service this morning we can all go to his house...yippeeee!!" -
No respect for the dead
by Patriot inout of today's new york times:february 17, 2002. .
scores of bodies strewn at site of crematory.
by robert d. mcfadden.
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Out of today's New York Times:February 17, 2002
Scores of Bodies Strewn at Site of Crematory
By ROBERT D. McFADDENNOBLE, Ga., Feb. 16 — Every funeral director for 100 miles did business with the Tri-State Crematory on the assumption that the owners were doing their job of transforming dead bodies into ashes. But today, horrified authorities discovered decomposing evidence that the furnace at the crematory had not worked for years.
After a dog walker stumbled over a skull on Friday, law enforcement officers discovered at least 120 rotting corpses in sheds and on the ground near the crematory, and state officials said that that figure could double by the time the area is fully examined. Some of the bodies had been there for years and were nearly skeletal, while others, fresh from the funeral home, still bore toe tags.
Human bones, weathered white, were scattered through the woods like leaves, skulls mixed with leg bones in a ghoulish jumble that one state trooper compared to a scene from a Stephen King novel. An infant's body was found in a box in the back of a rusting hearse.
Some bodies had become mummified and may have been at the site more than 20 years, said Dr. Kris Sperry, Georgia's chief medical examiner. Nearly two dozen coffins that had once been buried were also found on the ground, Dr. Sperry said, and in some cases their embalmed contents had been dragged out and left exposed to the elements for years. It was unclear why those bodies were at the site.Officials said there was apparently no foul play involved with any of the bodies. But even hardened law enforcement officers were left shaken and nauseated by what they saw in the sheds.
"There were bodies stacked like cordwood, just discarded and thrown in a pile," said Vernon Keenan, assistant director of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. "After 30 years in law enforcement, you think you've seen everything. And then you see something you can't even imagine."Dr. Sperry, who deals with corpses every day, said nothing had prepared him for what he saw today.
"I have to say, the utter lack of respect in which they were piled on top of one another was very disturbing," he said.
State officials declared Walker County a disaster area to enable state funds to be spent on the cleanup. They said that apparently the furnace had broken down several years ago and the owners could not afford repairs. The crematory's manager, Ray Brent Marsh, 28, was charged with five counts of theft by deception and was in the county jail tonight. His parents, Ray and Clara Marsh, who own the business, were not charged.Mr. Keenan said the fraud charges were brought in the absence of any state laws barring inappropriate treatment of corpses.
"We have laws against desecrating graves, but we can't find one against desecration of bodies," he said. "I guess nobody in the Legislature ever thought something like this could happen."
In many cases, families who thought their relatives had been cremated received urns containing what they believed were ashes, but were in fact a mixture of burned wood chips and dirt, officials said. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation urged any families who had received urns through Tri-State to bring them in for examination.
By nightfall, officials had tagged and numbered 80 bodies; they planned to continue their task throughout the week. Earth-moving equipment was ordered, and there was talk of draining a lake on the crematory's property to see what might be on the bottom.
Thirteen bodies were fresh enough to be identified, and some of the families who were notified gathered at a nearby church to exchange tales of shock.Neva and Tim Mason, accountants who live in nearby La Fayette, were told on Friday night that the body of Mr. Mason's father, Luther P. Mason, had been found. Luther Mason died on Dec. 19, Neva Mason said, and the family believed he had been cremated and his ashes buried at La Fayette Memory Gardens, just down Highway 27 from Noble.
They had had a ceremony at the cemetery, she said, and were shocked to hear that his body had been found at the crematory.
"He was stacked in a barn," Mrs. Mason said. "We don't know if he was stacked on top of people or with people stacked on top of him. We don't know if he was wearing clothes.
"I don't know what's worse, him dying, or this."The Masons, like almost everyone else in this small town in northwest Georgia, 17 miles south of Chattanooga, knew the Marsh family and never had reason to suspect that anything was awry at the crematory.
"I've known the Marshes all my life," Mrs. Mason said. "My brother graduated college with Brent. They're wonderful people. Mrs. Marsh helped hundreds of kids in this area."Clara Marsh, a schoolteacher, was president of the Walker County Association of Educators and chairwoman of the Walker County Democratic Committee. Ray Brent Marsh was active in civic affairs, and Sheriff Steve Wilson said he served with Mr. Marsh on several boards and commissions.
The authorities set up a makeshift morgue on the site today, and began moving the newer bodies to a nearby site where families could come and identify them.
At least 20 funeral homes that may have sent bodies to the Tri-State Crematory over the last six years were contacted and asked to review their records in hopes of identifying many of the corpses, but Mr. Keenan said he believed many of the remains would never be identified.
Although all crematories and funeral homes are supposed to be inspected regularly, state officials said Georgia has only two inspectors, and could not provide records today of the last inspection of Tri-State.W. E. McGill, who was the elected Walker County coroner for 23 years, until his retirement in 2000, said that Tri-State Crematory had operated illegally for a decade by not having a licensed funeral director on its premises during business hours, as required by a state law passed in 1992. He said the crematory also failed to meet state sanitation requirements.
"I filed complaints, but nothing was ever done about it," Mr. McGill said.
Mr. McGill said that Mr. and Mrs. Marsh had started out in the businesses of grave digging and burial vault supply, and that Tri-State had been the only crematory in the county when they founded it three decades ago. (The family lives next to the crematorium.) In those days, he said, a decision to cremate was rare.
"This is the Bible Belt South, and everybody had their own community or church cemetery," he said. In recent years, however, cremation has become more common, and several more crematories have begun operating in the area, he said.
"Cremation was not popular down here until six or seven years ago," Mr. McGill said, adding that the change " has to do with the economy — it's so much cheaper."
Sheila Horton, the niece of the elder Ray Marsh, said greed was to blame for the ghoulish scene.
"His wife and son just didn't want to spend the money to fix it up," said Mrs. Horton, who grew up in Noble and now lives in Atlanta. "Lord Jesus, I don't know how they could go to bed at night with all that outside their window."Sick
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Hopefully, my new home soon, narrowboat ...
by Celtic inamid this scenery, very close to trebah where i was born.. * http://www.cornishlight.co.uk/helford-river.htm
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Patriot
Damn Celtic, I envy you!
Where I grew up there was and still is nothing but ghetto projects and slums, old tenaments adn garbage all over the place...wait a second!,that doesnt sound any different than where I am now.....*sigh*
Mav.- Waiting for his "Trebah"
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Some JW local news
by Patriot ini found the following excerpts of article in various newspapers ( sorry but i did not want to open an account to retrieve the entire article):.
metropolitan desk | november 21, 2000, tuesday .
victims fight over splitting reparations for holocaust .
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Patriot
I found the following excerpts of article in various newspapers ( sorry but I did not want to open an account to retrieve the entire article):
METROPOLITAN DESK | November 21, 2000, Tuesday
Victims Fight Over Splitting Reparations For HolocaustBy ALAN FEUER (NYT) 1154 words
Late Edition - Final, Section B, Page 1, Column 2
They came from all over. There were survivor groups from Australia and the former Soviet Union. There were organizations representing Gypsies, Jehovah witnesses....ABSTRACT - Hearing is held in Federal District Court, Brooklyn, where Holocaust survivors offer emotional arguments as to why they are entitled to part of cash being paid out by Swiss banks that had been accused of looting Jewish wealth during World War II; victims fight over splitting reparations, as Jewish survivors offer searing memories of their ordeal and representatives of non-Jewish survivors talk of their own pains, staking their separate claims to settlement fund; photo (M)
Published on October 24, 2001, Press-Telegram (Long Beach, CA)
CONVENTION CENTER REDO UNVEILED
PROJECT: MEETING ROOM AREA RENOVATED BY 2,000 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE RENT.Officials Tuesday unveiled 22,000 square feet of renovated meeting space at the convention center, capping a 100-day construction project performed by some 2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in exchange for free rent.
The newly renamed Seaside Meeting Rooms, located along Seaside Way beneath the Terrace Theater, now feature vaulted ceilings, wall moldings, new carpet and bright lights -- all welcome changes from the old Terrace Meeting Rooms that had gone unimproved since their construction in
Complete Article, 400 words;
Published on August 2, 2001, The Sacramento Bee
Jehovah's Witnesses to construct hall in Antelope
A 394-seat worship center to be owned and operated by the Antelope Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is scheduled to be constructed on the west side of Walerga Road, about 639 feet north of Antelope Road.
Plans to build the Kingdom Hall, which will include two auditoriums of 197 seats each, were approved July 23 by the county Project Planning Commission on a 5-0 vote.
Calvin Eckler, representing the Antelope congregation, told the Planning Commission that the
Complete Article, 635 words
Published on December 9, 2001, Fresno Bee, The (CA)
Q: What is your best Christmas memory?
"When I got the wrong baby doll from Santa and I cried and told my parents they had it at Target."
Karli Cisneros
Visalia
"I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness so I haven't had a Christmas till now. It's like the designated time to give presents. You can't be, like, 'I thought of you, here's a present.' You have to wait until Christmas. I think Christmas is overrated."
Gen Bacher
Fresno
"When I got my first Super
Complete Article, 249 words
Article 112 of 183, Article ID: 2000171013
Published on June 19, 2000, Fresno Bee, The (CA)KERMAN BUILDS ON ITS FAITH BELIEVERS SINK MILLIONS INTO THE 'CHURCHY LITTLE TOWN.'
Even if you don't give a fig about religion, driving around a roughly two-mile stretch of Kearney Boulevard will make you a believer that God -- in a rainbow of faiths -- is on the march here.
Three churches, a cultural hall and a temple have recently either been built, remodeled and expanded or are about to have their first shovels sunk into onetime farm fields.
The millions of dollars invested by Punjabis, Sikhs, Mormons, Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses showcase the
Complete Article, 1048 words
Jehovah's Witness Is Freed
( AP ) 162 words
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 3, Column 3
ABSTRACT - Levon Markarian, leader of Jehovah's Witnesses in Armenia, is acquitted on charges of proselytizing and of forcing young people to evade military service