Posts by Phizzy

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

Phizzy

I think Trey Bundy is an XJW, as is the maker of the excellent drama Film " Apostasy", so be careful with a question like " Who is the Apostate".

Framing it slightly differently may be profitable, just mention the people involved in the investigations who were never JW's, Zalkin Law, Alastair Stewart the lawyer on the Australian Royal Commission etc. Are any of such people even wrong, in any way ? if so how ?

JW's have to be forced to face the Facts, and see if they can be challenged in any way, not just use a slogan.

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RUSSELL USED SYMBOL LINKED WITTH BA'AL WORSHIP

by badboy in

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accoring to good news magazne,winge sun disk is linked with ba'al worship.. this was concerning jezebel's ring they found..

Phizzy

We miss the erudite and informative Posts of Leo,and others of her calibre on here. But thankfully we have an Archive of her priceless Posts.

I too hope she is well and happy.

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Public Talk Outlines!

by Atlantis in

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current public talk outlines.

blank page between each talk.. .

https://docdro.id/w209l0s.

Phizzy

Thanks Petra,

just glanced at one Outline, and I see they are as dire as when I refused to give anymore Public Talks, as I could no longer get on the Platform and spout the org's nonsense. Prior to that, I used to "knock the outline in to shape" as I termed it, many an Elder told me, " I give that Talk,and the way you presented it is very different". No wonder, I would say nothing I could not see plainly in the Bible.

Shortly after, I woke up fully and left for good.

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Watchtower issues take down notice!!!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f7jloq/breaking_watchtower_issues_dmca_takedown_to/.

zing.

Phizzy

I think I should have qualified my " those at the top", I was referring to their Legal Advisers , and the Writing Department, who work hand in glove. Those guys, along with their Financial Advisers, know full well it is not "The Truth".

As for the Figure Heads, the Governing Body, how much they believe, and how much they know is bullshit, probably varies by member. All came up through the ranks, many life long believers, whatever, they must have a great problem with Cognitive Dissonance within themselves.

I remember well two remarks made to me , one by a London Bethel Boy, who said " The nearer you get to the top of things, the more you realise their is no "Spirituality" there, there is none in Bethel", the other was a guy who worked in the new York H.Q , in Brooklyn, as it was at the time, and he told me, " I pass the Governing Body's Committee Room in my work there, you should hear the shouting and arguments that I hear !"

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Brexit - Fishing is the UK's 'ace in the hole'

by The Fall Guy in

i suspect that the leaders of eu countries which have large fishing fleets are seriously worried/panicking (for their own jobs!

) that the uk is going to drastically reduce/eliminate those fleets' access to the uk's rich fishing waters.. the eu knows how its rules and regulations pummeled the british fishing fleets, now it fears that it's their turn to experience the same collapse: .

"i am not sure that an agreement will be reached between now and the end of the year," mr macron said at a meeting with fishermen in paris on saturday......mr macron also said fishing rights could be a sticking point in negotiations.

Phizzy

Well, good luck with that Boris ! and I mean that, I really want us to achieve a good deal, but I am not so sure Johnson is sincere about wanting that.

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Watchtower issues take down notice!!!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f7jloq/breaking_watchtower_issues_dmca_takedown_to/.

zing.

Phizzy

This is proof positive that those at the top in the JW Org know that what they are peddling is not the Truth. And proof that they are aware of the accusation that they use Mind Control, and the truth of that accusation.

If they had the truth, and did not use Mind Control techniques they could challenge this guy face on, instead they simply use underhanded methods, like this spurious Take Down claim.

They are a bunch of Manipulating, Lying, Money Grabbers.

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Believers: How do you know your view of your chosen holy book is the correct one?

by punkofnice in

don't start fighting, darlings.

i am genuinely curious.

after all i was a jobo 50 years and thought the wbt$ was 100% correct.. i ask this because i see that, for example, christian denominations (or whatever), likely have differing interpretations of the same writing.

Phizzy

Indeed Cofty, Religion is a part of the Ethnicity/Culture of all peoples on Earth, even in Nations that suppress it. I do believe that Religion should have no place in Politics now, all Governments should be secular, even if some of the members are personally religious. How far we are from that ideal !

But to use ones chosen Holy Book as the basis for Law, or for Government action, especially military, should have no place in the machinery of Government today, sadly, it is pervasive, and yet, as this Thread has shown, such "Holy" books are merely flawed works of men.

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LDS posts their secret Handbook, will GB get some light?

by Difido in

apparently there are new major lds changes.

(its a long youtube video, but the link is below).

they updated and posted an online copy of their secret handbook (unless they have another one stashed lol).

Phizzy

I think the JW Org has stolen ideas before from the LDS church, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them doing it again !

Especially moves that will maybe help them keep hold of their beloved $$$$.

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Anatomy of a former JW

by Victor in

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one of the respondents on my post on mental illness stated that it was the same of ex jw's.

i thought about this for a couple of days and drawing from my personal experience, i can say that this is mostly true.

if one is disfellowshipped, the act of forcibly cutting off all ties to a jw's way of life is painful and in some cases inducing cognitive dissonance.

Phizzy

Although not DF'd or DA'd my JW family distanced themselves greatly, we were cut off from family events like Weddings etc. And all our former "friends" had nothing to do with us.

When I actually left I had sunk in to deep suicidal depression, I was dangerously close to ending my life. The support and love that Posters gave me on here was so helpful, several of them begged me to get proper Therapy, I did that, and was lucky to find an excellent Therapist who had treated a good number of XJW's .

I learned how to suppress and control my depression, and was shown by Posters on here how to think and research about JW beliefs, and the JW Mind Control, all along with kindly support.

This place saved my life ! So thank you Simon, and all those Posters.

I hope we can still keep this as a place where JW's can come and receive kindly advice, support, love and guidance.

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"Do you believe that the 'faithful slave' is God's channel of communication?"

by The Fall Guy in

if a jw had the nerve to ask me this question, i'd say to them, "you go first.

using only scriptural proof, show me why you believe that the wtbts/ccojw is god's choice and i'll tell you if i agree with your scriptural reasoning.".

wait for the silence and the rabbit in the headlights moment.. i searched on the wt cd rom for references of "channel of communication.".

Phizzy

HaHaHaHa !!!! My first response to the Thread Title.