Further to the Topic Title, the Org never discusses the real reason that many, perhaps the majority, leave. Namely, they can see the whole body of JW Org Doctrine is wrong. They do not have the courage to say something like " some disagree with the G.B's explanation of Scripture", because if they said that , even the thickest JW might think " Why don't you soundly refute them, and prove your Doctrine is the Truth then ?"
Posts by Phizzy
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24Why doesn't the wt discuss the real reason many partake?
by nowwhat? init has nothing to do about feeling chosen or ruling in heaven, but rather many feel it's a command for all christians, that by partaking you are accepting christ as their saviour!
john 6-.
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Active JW's - Do you see a CONTRADICTION here?
by The Fall Guy inthe bible says this - acts 17:11 “...for they [the beroeans] accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.”.
km 9/07 p. 3 question box - does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of witnesses who meet together to engage in scriptural research...?.
and yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on bible-related subjects... some have pursued an independent group study...so as to analyze the accuracy* of the new world translation... for those who wish to do extra bible study and research, we recommend that they explore insight on the scriptures, “all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial,” and our other publications...” .
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Phizzy
krismalone2 hours ago
"In defence of the Watchtower, the real problem and contradictions lie on the bible itself. Religion compounds the bullshit found in the bible."
Just using the Bible, reading it without WT Org specs on, anyone can easily see that the JW interpretation is wrong.
It was that K.M Q Box that began my awakening properly, I loudly said in the K.Hall " Nobody does my thinking for ME !" . My wife told me to be quiet, I refused, and repeated what I had said. A few months later, I left for good. At that time I was still a Bible believer, but could see the JW Org was WRONG through and through, and the fact that they had to use Mind Control proved it to me.
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Remember the Revelation book?
by wozza ini recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.
i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.
who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.
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Phizzy
I think this particular Revelation book woke a lot of people up. I know that when it very first came out I loudly proclaimed by utter disbelief in the "fulfillments" that were centred on Rutherford and gang.
I am surprised now, though times were different, that I was not censured by the Elders, I actually laughed at those bits, all the Elders did was smile as though they too couldn't quite swallow it.
I guess that was the start of my slow waking process, what a shame it wasn't immediate for me ! I remained in until we were going through that bloody rubbish for the Third ! time.
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Differences between UK and US Corona Virus TV Updates
by ThomasCovenant ini'm in the uk, and most days over the last 2 weeks i've watched the 5pm uk government update on the corona virus situation which includes questions from the media.
generally speaking i've found the whole update, including the questions and answers, to be respectful, informative and non combative, with, to the best of my recollection, very little mention of politics and blame.
certainly no political point scoring.
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Italian Bridges
by Simon inwhat is it with italy, should it really be so risky driving across a bridge in a developed country?!.
i know there is china virus happening, but bridges haven't just gone to shit in the last month.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52213898.
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Phizzy
I think that you are right Simon, knowing well the Italian mindset and the way they operate, i.e a political system both national and local, that just chunters along, and I am sure is as bad or worse than many other Countries.
The collapse I was referring to killed a good number of people, but I have not heard that there was a big Inquiry, let alone a Court case, maybe there was, and I missed it, but if not, there should have been !
The same as there should be an accounting of Governments and Officials who have been negligent with handling the present crisis. Thousands will have died before their time.
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Italian Bridges
by Simon inwhat is it with italy, should it really be so risky driving across a bridge in a developed country?!.
i know there is china virus happening, but bridges haven't just gone to shit in the last month.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52213898.
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Phizzy
Slidin Fast has it right . After the terrible collapse of one bridge, maybe two years ago ? it was publicly stated that sub-standard cement, supplied through Mafia owned Companies, was to blame.
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Phizzy
The use of the word "emblems" is Cult Mind Control of course.
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A blatant mistake in the UK Government's Letter?
by The Fall Guy into quote the national institue of allergy and infectious diseases: "there are hundreds of coronaviruses, most of which circulate among such animals as pigs, camels, bats and cats.
sometimes those viruses jump to humans—called a spillover event—and can cause disease.
" https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses.
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Some 'Minimus' type questions
by NoAbuse inwhy do round pizzas come in square boxes?.
why is donald trump the most amazing man ever?.
do you like putting salt on things?.
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Phizzy
I like your stuff Min, and over the years the length your Topics have stretched to shows I am not the only one ! O.K the questions may not always be the deepest, most philosophical of thoughts, but they provide a bit of entertainment here, and do promote discussion, which is what this place is all about.
And a word to those being sarcastic etc to Min, Don't take the Piss out of Minimus, there'll be nothing left !
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Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?
by AlainAlam inhow do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.
now some of you still believe in the bible.
to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.
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Phizzy
I'm with Long Hair Gal on this, I feel no need anymore to inform JW's, I did, when I first left the cult, I thought it was Mission to give them any and all information, my Duty.
As I matured after leaving, I came to appreciate it simply was not down to me morally to do so, unless there were dire circumstances, and the JW was in some grave danger by believing, which of course can happen.
I now live my life by the Mantra "Do the least Harm and the most Good". Using that, if I ever get to talk to them, I think about the person and how what I say will affect them. For example, some of my older relatives who are JW would be lost and devastated without their Social Club, which is the only benefit they truly gain from it, but why should I make their life emptier than it is ? They would be lonely and sad.
On occasion when JW's have knocked on my door I have given them some real truth, if they come trying to shove their beliefs upon me, then I think it is fair to explain in a kindly and measured way why it is not for me. But I don't see any moral imperative to do anything normally, and sometimes I have simply said something like " It was kind of you to call, Goodbye". If I am too busy to have a conversation. Hope this helps.
