Posts by Phizzy

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The Most High

by Lost in the fog in

saw this on a friend's facebook page.

of course all the jws were quick to say that it must have been the apostate israelites.

bbc news - 'cannabis burned during worship' by ancient israeli test.

Phizzy

" Of course all the JWs were quick to say that it must have been the apostate Israelites. But who knows..."

The J.W's could be right according to the timeline, circa 700 BCE Israel was conquered by the Assyrians, and Judah subjugated, so was "pure" worship maintained at this time ? Who knows, and who is to say that Cannabis was NOT used throughout ALL the years they worshipped ?

If JW's today want to get back to the worship of Big J as it was more than probably done, then getting high on weed it is then !

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How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

by Number 6 in

as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

Phizzy

The Org began a policy of rarely mentioning 1914, or when they did, just presenting it as a given, with no explanation as to how it was arrived at, very wise, their convoluted calculations, which start anyway with the wrong date for the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem, which was 587BCE, not 607BCE, is so blatantly rubbish that this was a wise move I thought.

Then they went and wrote three W.T Articles, 3 or 4 years ago, which were, I have to admit, cleverly done, so that the average thick , non reading, non researching JW would accept the nonsense once again, and the vast majority did.

They seem to have gone back to never mentioning it now, (wise), and just keep shrilly shouting " the End is near ! the End is near!".

I have not attended a Meeting for many a long year, but would guess it is the same there, no mention of 1914, just " We know the End is so very near". Poor benighted fools.

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Do You Think We Will Ever Get To “Normal” Again?

by minimus in

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will we ever be able to congregate together for a concert or a theater?

will we forever be wearing a mask at walmart?

will restaurants and bars allow people to eat drink and simply hang out?.

Phizzy

It is my hope that the new normal as some call it, will take what is good that has come from this, i.e, that not so many people need to travel in to work everyday, many can do much of their work from home. That Business meetings can be held by Zoom or similar. This is good for the Planet. That people do take up the lessons learned about hygiene, personal, SO many people were downright filthy in their habits, and also in the areas of food production and service.

And that people who are kind, considerate and working for their fellow man, continue to do so, and hopefully shame the many arseholes out there ! Other positives may emerge. Certainly, what are often touted as negatives are really just a bit of inconvenience, and unlearning the old ways.

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Did you feel contempt for Non Witnesses

by Steel in

the other day i went to this farm owned by this jw lady with my wife being a jw and my mother being a non witness.

later taking to my mother she noticed this vibe like this jw lady really hated her.

she just had these little slags like when we tried to pay for the fruit we picked , she looked directly at my wife and said " don't worry about it, i only charge wordly people ".. i also have this aunt who is a jw we are estranged from.

Phizzy

I must say I never did, probably because of my upbringing, my parents were unusual as JW's, not judgemental, kind, and understanding of people. I felt pity that the "worldly" people that could not see "the truth" and therefore would find it impossible to build the faith I thought I had, but never did I feel contempt for them.

Truth to tell, the embarrassing thing (embarrasses me now) I did feel sometimes, was a slight feeling of privilege, that these "truths" had been revealed to me, but I still respected "worldly" people, and, strangely, I felt more comfortable with them than with JW's............. I wonder why ?

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Another Kingdom Hall Sold (Van Buren, NY)

by Anony Mous in

https://www.xome.com/commercial-for-sale/7758-maple-road-van-buren-ny-13027-319162381.

i was just looking around, this one i've been involved in renovating with the rbc.

apparently it sold for $500k..

Phizzy

Another Thread shows that what was 5 K.H's in New Addington, South London, has now become an Islamic Centre and Mosque.

This selling off of valuable Sites, as a way of raising capital to help out with a Cash Flow problem, must be fast coming to an end. Yes, they will continue to sell K.H's, but the High Value ones are nearly all sold.

Whoops, I see them trying to bleed the poor R&F JW's even drier. And with the problems of Covid, etc, I see they will soon be in financial trouble. ( I hope so anyway).

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Hello I am Minksy

by minsky in

i just wanted to say hello.

long story short, it was some things that happened one after another over a period of time, right until it was everything all at once.

i guess the first domino was my second spiritual awakening, which tbh mostly had to do with impressing some of the brothers and one particular sister.

Phizzy

millie210, we could write a Song based on that, to the tune of John Lennon's "Working Class Hero " !

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Final talk of the 2020 'Always Rejoice' Convention

by Listener in

this is part of splane's lecture in the final part of the final day of the 2020 convention.

now speaking of broadcasting.

do you think jehovah has been preparing us for something like this pandemic?

Phizzy

" The current GB claims to be a continuation of that which precedes it. " and this is their claim to legitimacy, as though some Holy Mantle has fallen on their shoulders.

But just look at what preceded them ! look right the way back to 1918/9 ! Rutherford and gang, as Ray Franz pointed out, were such an awful shower, with pitifully inaccurate teachings, and unbiblical practices, that " it would be an insult to Jesus Christ to say that he chose them".

So how does today's claim by the G.B to be "God's Channel" stand up ? it cannot stand, it has no legs to stand upon !

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Hello I am Minksy

by minsky in

i just wanted to say hello.

long story short, it was some things that happened one after another over a period of time, right until it was everything all at once.

i guess the first domino was my second spiritual awakening, which tbh mostly had to do with impressing some of the brothers and one particular sister.

Phizzy

I did a similar thing minsky, and when I got to The Book of Daniel, and read it without JW Org spectacles on it hit me that no way could you extrapolate the year 1914 from those words in Daniel, I could find no support for it anywhere in the bible, and so all the JW teaching collapsed like the House of Cards that it is.

Since leaving I have educated myself on all matters that interest me a lot, and some that only interest me a little. To use this old brain has been a joy, it was suppressed and imprisoned while I was a JW, the Freedom to learn Real Truth is Priceless !

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Early Jerusalem - Not Such a Big Deal - Archaeological overview of Archaeological Discoveries in Early Jerusalem

by fulltimestudent in

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this overview is from dw news*, a german public broadcasting service.

i thought it may be interesting to know that early jerusalem was not as large as some have thought.. .

https://www.dw.com/en/ancient-jerusalem-smaller-than-believed/a-54671258?fbclid=iwar3svoex_h_2yru0t-wnmnvweyujoxactz-jgglgmdr16vcjoahvl_e8ow4.

Phizzy

Thank you for your perspective carmichael, and for your caveat about how we should view the discoveries and pronouncements of Archaeologists ! it is very true what you say, and of course Historians are a similar group, often wanting to make a name with a new theory, and more often than not, inventing stories based upon very little actual fact, so yes ! we need to be cautious.

But when discoveries and new perspectives fit a consensus arrived at by Scholars over many decades, we can be reasonably sure we are not that far away from the truth. I think your summary is a very fair one, and one I wish Evangelical Christians and others like the J.W's would take on board.

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How Many of Jehovah’s Witnesses Are There Worldwide? FAQ Are You A Jehovah's Witness in REALITY

by Longlivetherenegades in

from the faq as captured on the website with this question (how many jehovah's witnesses are there worldwide?

) led to this question of mine who do the organization sees as a jehovah's witness?

the organization answers: .

Phizzy

" Once inside, you need to follow a host of rules to maintain your membership." True, and as pointed out above, one important Rule to follow is to preach, every month and to report that time.

If you do not, they do not "count" you as a J.W., but if you break almost any other one of their myriad Rules, all of a sudden, you are a J.W., even though not being counted as one, so that they can Disfellowship you.

Again, the Org wants it both ways, you are not a JW when they say so, and yet you are a few minutes later if they say so !