Posts by Phizzy

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QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

by gone for good in

a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

here is the document .

https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

Phizzy

This is the idea of the Document , as stated in an earlier Post by GFG :

" This proclamation is signed and retained well before a PIMO or fader hits the elders radar.

It is not a letter of DA, nor a letter to the elders, it is a persons' private exercise of their Human Rights.-

freedom of conscience and religion.

Because it's dated and the rights are already claimed, there is no need for elders interference- the date on the document pre-empt their authority over ones privacy and affairs."

The point is, that as you are just an ordinary member of the Public, how can they take any measures against you ? I think this needs to be backed up, when you are forced to present it, with a letter from your Lawyer saying that you will Sue the individual Elders involved if any action is taken, or public Statement made. But, you don't present it until THEY force your hand, by which time you have not been a JW for X amount of time !

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I have read and re read acts chap.15 and for the life of me I can't find the part about the 1st century governing body!

by nowwhat? in

i cannot find the verse where it talks about several self appointed men that went behind closed doors to render their decision regarding circumcision.

all i see is that it was the apostles, older men and the congregation that came to a decision.

perfect example of why we need the governing body today.

Phizzy

James Jack14 hours ago

Verses 22,23 talks about the Apostles and older Men (a Governing Body), rendering a decision.

As has been pointed out in a number of Posts , no way do these verses speak of a Governing Body. If they did, who would they "Govern" ? The various Christian groups were not unified in Doctrine, and were self Governing. The idea promulgated by the JW's of a single body of united Christians who would actually acknowledge governance over them is total nonsense.

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I have read and re read acts chap.15 and for the life of me I can't find the part about the 1st century governing body!

by nowwhat? in

i cannot find the verse where it talks about several self appointed men that went behind closed doors to render their decision regarding circumcision.

all i see is that it was the apostles, older men and the congregation that came to a decision.

perfect example of why we need the governing body today.

Phizzy

It is quite evident from the genuine words of Paul that no such thing existed, yes he did visit the older men in Jerusalem, as a kind of polite way of saying, well I'm preaching to the Gentiles , I thought I would come and say hello. It is evident he did not hold them in any higher esteem than himself. And he did not agree with them on all things.

It is doubtful that anything in Acts 15 took place at all. Acts is mainly a work of fiction, and contradicts a number of things about Paul that he says in his genuine works.

The true situation in the 1st century was that there were a number of groups formed that followed Jesus, or their view of him and his teaching, none of them recognised the remaining Apostles as authorities on Doctrine or Practice. And certainly the mantle did not fall on to someone else as an Apostle died.

There was no Governing Body.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

Phizzy

I have a job to put a figure on this, as some have said, exactly what we all feel is a " true believer" is also problematical, it is so difficult to determine what "doubts" an individual has, and how deep they go.

In my case I was 2nd generation, baptised at 12, served as a regular pioneer for a while, a MS etc in my nearly 60 years in. And yet I never believed ALL of it, I particularly never bought in to the Armageddon ideas they had, or in to, more importantly, the Cult of the Governing Body.

From the outside you would say I was a " true believer", but I was not, not in the way the Governing body would want me to be. I guess what we are trying to measure is " Depth of Delusion".

Those that are sufficiently deluded will follow straight away without question whatever the G.B says and whatever direction they go in. I would take a stab and say that is in fact only about 2 million of them or even fewer than that. The next level kind of tries to believe it all, but doesn't fully, then you have the half awake, then PIMO's, but stuck in , and then those that are really fully awake too, but are not stuck in, just in by choice.

Before long the lower 6 million will start to drift away. 2 million will remain, in a mainly on-line religion. My estimate.

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Well done, Boris, for getting us a Brexit deal!

by LoveUniHateExams in

boris johnson is often mocked, but he has recently achieved what former pms thought highly unlikely - boris has gotten the uk a brexit deal, and has got brexit done, keeping his manifesto promise.. well done, boris!

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Phizzy

Nothing in this bill shows that the Westminster parliament has ‘taken back control’ from Brussels.

This draft bill instead shows that Whitehall – that is, ministers and their departments – has taken control of imposing on the United Kingdom what it agrees with Brussels.

And presumably that was not what Brexit was supposed to be about.

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Well done, Boris, for getting us a Brexit deal!

by LoveUniHateExams in

boris johnson is often mocked, but he has recently achieved what former pms thought highly unlikely - boris has gotten the uk a brexit deal, and has got brexit done, keeping his manifesto promise.. well done, boris!

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Phizzy

I hope that is all sarcasm ? I don't want to get in to it here, it is boring for people to hear of our Political problems, but I am confident you see the faults in what you said ? and therefore you are joking ?

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Smokin' Phizzy !

by Phizzy in

as a jw teenager in the 60's i took up smoking.

i gave up in my early 20's when my new wife and i decided , mistakenly, that it was a good idea to " make a proper go of da troof".

in all the intervening decades i still enjoyed the smell of a fine cigar.. when i left and became free, i took up smoking again, always fine cigars, and ended up hooked, and smoking ten or more a day.

Phizzy

As a JW teenager in the 60's I took up smoking. I gave up in my early 20's when my new wife and I decided , mistakenly, that it was a good idea to " make a proper go of Da Troof". In all the intervening decades I still enjoyed the smell of a fine Cigar.

When I left and became free, I took up smoking again, always fine Cigars, and ended up hooked, and smoking ten or more a day. I gave up, officially, in August of this year, but still allow myself a celebratory Cigar on special occasions. I have just enjoyed my Christmas Cigar, the next will probably be on my Birthday in a few months time.

The last occasion was just as I was waiting to go in to the Chapel for the funeral of a good friend of mine, he was like the brother I never had, and he and I had spent a lot of time together, often smoking, enjoying a drink, and chatting and laughing together. He was a lovely man, loved by hundreds, who would have been at his funeral as well as me, but for Covid, and my Cigar was to commune with his memory.

I feel a great peace, and enjoyment of my true freedom, when I smoke, and feel in tune with so many great souls when I do so.

I do not wish to encourage any to smoke, but, do any of you enjoy things forbidden by JW's, and even some other things condemned by non JW killjoys ?

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JW's and deciding which PAGAN traditions to follow or not to follow. Merry Christmas all!!

by goingthruthemotions in

* first i would like to say.....i apologize to my son's everyday for getting them involved in this cult because i took so much from them as far as celebrating holidays go.

they are now 22 and 17 great kids.

they want nothing to do with the cult.

Phizzy

All Bible believers, Christian or not, operate a Pick and Mix approach to how they practice their religion. So, it is a case of you " Pays your money and takes your Choice" for them.

Very hypocritical, and VERY annoying when they try to impose some of the things they have decided to pick , upon others of us ! All the while they are ignoring the rest of what is commanded in their Holy books.

A good book on this is by a Jewish guy who tried to do what was in the Title , i. e. " A Year of Living Biblically", he really couldn't do it, but he consulted many religions on this, including JW's, and concluded NOBODY could live in the modern world and live Biblically !

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As a JW Were You or Someone you Knew Falsely Accused by Elders ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

thought i'd put this out there to see if you knew of people in the jehovah's witnesses who were falsely accused or mistreated by the " police " or elders in the congregation.

many times it's been by experiencing injustices that get us to get shaken out of our cult thinking mode and reality kicks in and the scales fall from our eyes that the wt society is just a man made organization whose leaders are no better than us - actually in many cases more unscrupulous and conniving than any of us would have ever been to each other !

i was falsely accused 2 times .

Phizzy

Funny, I remember this Thread ! I have not read all of it again, but I wanted to tell a quick story that I don't think I have told before ?? Not a false accusation though, a real one !

I was at an XJW Meetup and a young kid i knew told me that when he was still in he was hauled up in front of the Elders because of a huge boozy Party of young JW's he had attended, and a number stayed the night up on the floor of the House where he had bagged a bedroom. The Elders had established the couples who went up there, all unmarried, and asked him to tell them who had slept together.

He swore blind that the girls and boys had taken separate bedrooms. He said to me, " They didn't, they were at it all night". The elders accepted what he had said, and the kids got away with a night of passion. As he said to me " Where was the Holy Spirit to direct those Elders I fooled ?". Good point.

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Gma exvited

by Gma-return in

gma is excited.

i found out for christmas i'm going to be a great grandmother twice over.

granddaughters (sisters) are both expecting.

Phizzy

" there are some great guys and gals here " ........ there is the odd old crusty curmudgeon like me too !

Welcome ! grand children, and great grand children are SUCH utter joy ! and you feel a love for them like no other love, so very strong !

Enjoy them, love them, make sure they never join a Cult !