Posts by Phizzy

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The Marcionite Hypothesis

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i'm still working on the hebrew bible for my book but looking ahead most of my research had fallen into place as i take month off from research., when it come to the nt most people accept what is commonly called markian priority.

this common theory says that mark was written in 70 ad and then a saying gospel of jesus called q was combined with this to make matthew and luke sometimes around 100 ad.

john as later.

Phizzy

I await your Book with great interest HTBWC !

I also like very much the Hypothesis you outline in your O.P, I would so very much like for it to be affirmed and to be accepted, at least by Scholars, J.W's and other Fundies will proceed regardless, they don't go much for Scholarship, Facts or Evidence.

It is though, as you outline it above, hardly a credible Hypothesis that other Scholars will agree with, but maybe you will go in to greater depth on this more in your Book ? make a stronger case ? As I said, I do desire it to be spot on, but also desire its acceptance by those who matter in the field of N.T Studies.

It is amazing how things have moved on in the last few decades, the consensus among N.T Scholars is as you say in your O.P, I think many of them err on the side of caution, out of fear of what other Big Guns in the world of N.T Studies may say, but at least things have moved on from the early 20th Century, where a quite silly view of the time of writing for the Synoptics etc was the consensus.

Maybe you will give the old boys, ( and girls) of N.T Studies, a nudge further in the right direction, with your Book !

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Misheard song lyrics

by jhine in

i thought that as there seems to have been some very serious sh-stuff being discussed lately maybe a light hearted thread might be in order .

i was thinking about misheard song lyrics ( climb every woman ) and it seemed a good topic for a thread .to start off for many years l thought that fat boy slim was singing about some very posh shoes with funk soul rubber on the bottom .

has anyone else realised that they have been singing the wrong words ?

Phizzy

"it's a Goose egg" too in one place.

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Misheard song lyrics

by jhine in

i thought that as there seems to have been some very serious sh-stuff being discussed lately maybe a light hearted thread might be in order .

i was thinking about misheard song lyrics ( climb every woman ) and it seemed a good topic for a thread .to start off for many years l thought that fat boy slim was singing about some very posh shoes with funk soul rubber on the bottom .

has anyone else realised that they have been singing the wrong words ?

Phizzy

I have always made up my own risque lyrics to Songs , the fun thing was, I did it to the Dreaded Dirges, also known as "Kingdom Songs", my wife used to nudge me and tell me to stop, but it helped to pass the time.

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Omg! The latest Caleb and Sophie video!

by nowwhat? in

for those who think the organization is going more mainstream think again.

so eating a leftover birthday cupcake is as bad a sin as peter betraying jesus!

(see lloyd evans video) .

Phizzy

I agree Beth Sarim , it is evident that so many of us, myself included, really feel deeply the deprivation we suffered as children, not allowed Birthdays , Christmas etc, not just our own, but the joy of giving to our friends too !

It is an Evil and totally unwarranted Abuse of Children. It is Stealing their Childhood. Just as much as more serious abuse does.

It amuses me how they have to hide what it says in Job about the family getting together for his children's Birthdays, I know most translations do not explicitly say these were Birthday celebrations, because it cannot be known for sure what they actually did on those days, so the say " Birthday" would be to put a wrong vision in the mind of the reader, perhaps. But what else could it mean " each on his own day" or whatever the phrase is ?

So, not only are Birthday Celebrations not condemned in the Bible, the Org does mental gymnastics to excuse an apparent condoning in Job. Miserable, joy hating bastards.

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Oh What Is That Sound?

by Simon in

jw
friends

o what is that sound which so thrills the eardown in the valley drumming, drumming?only the scarlet soldiers, dear,the soldiers coming.o what is that light i see flashing so clearover the distance brightly, brightly?only the sun on their weapons, dear,as they step lightly.o what are they doing with all that gear,what are they doing this morning, morning?only their usual manoeuvres, dear,or perhaps a warning.o why have they left the road down there,why are they suddenly wheeling, wheeling?perhaps a change in their orders, dear,why are you kneeling?o haven't they stopped for the doctor's care,haven't they reined their horses, horses?why, they are none of them wounded, dear,none of these forces.o is it the parson they want, with white hair,is it the parson, is it, is it?no, they are passing his gateway, dear,without a visit.o it must be the farmer that lives so near.it must be the farmer so cunning, so cunning?they have passed the farmyard already, dear,and now they are running.o where are you going?

stay with me here!were the vows you swore deceiving, deceiving?no, i promised to love you, dear,but i must be leaving.o it's broken the lock and splintered the door,o it's the gate where they're turning, turning;their boots are heavy on the floorand their eyes are burning.. - w.h.auden.

Phizzy

" O it's broken the lock and splintered the door,

hide ye not, tis too late you wanker,

swallow you not will the floor,

you're buggered at last, thus spake Ivanka".

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QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

by gone for good in

a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

here is the document .

https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

Phizzy

I take all the points made against this strategy, by Jeff T and others, and say, yes, you are right. But what is there to lose by preparing such a document, and presenting it to Numbnuts Elders along with a threat to take Legal Action ?

Both threats have little weight, the Document would be shredded in Court no doubt, and if you threaten Legal Action and they know damn well that you do not have the funds, they could call your Bluff.

But what if it worked ? I do know of a case many years ago where just threatening the Elders with legal action caused them to drop everything, apart from the Rumour Mill , which did their job for them as far as getting the Shunning going was concerned, but you cannot stop that, unless again you are prepared to go to Court to stop slander, well good luck with that !

So at best, all you may achieve is no OFFICIAL action, but that may be all you want !

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The Gentile Times are The Time of The End!

by Guard in

hello, brothers.

i don't speak english, but i really want to share what i have.

so sorry for mistakes and style.. so, the all detected parallels (exact connections) between the quotes of daniel 11:44-12:7 and revelation 11:2-18 are:.

Phizzy

The Bible is not a single Book. It is a collection of writings from many Centuries by many Writers, all of whom wrote for the people of their own time.

It is not a Book of Prophecy.

Also, to join parts of those writings together which were written Centuries apart is just plain silly.

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QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

by gone for good in

a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

here is the document .

https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

Phizzy

This is the idea of the Document , as stated in an earlier Post by GFG :

" This proclamation is signed and retained well before a PIMO or fader hits the elders radar.

It is not a letter of DA, nor a letter to the elders, it is a persons' private exercise of their Human Rights.-

freedom of conscience and religion.

Because it's dated and the rights are already claimed, there is no need for elders interference- the date on the document pre-empt their authority over ones privacy and affairs."

The point is, that as you are just an ordinary member of the Public, how can they take any measures against you ? I think this needs to be backed up, when you are forced to present it, with a letter from your Lawyer saying that you will Sue the individual Elders involved if any action is taken, or public Statement made. But, you don't present it until THEY force your hand, by which time you have not been a JW for X amount of time !

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I have read and re read acts chap.15 and for the life of me I can't find the part about the 1st century governing body!

by nowwhat? in

i cannot find the verse where it talks about several self appointed men that went behind closed doors to render their decision regarding circumcision.

all i see is that it was the apostles, older men and the congregation that came to a decision.

perfect example of why we need the governing body today.

Phizzy

James Jack14 hours ago

Verses 22,23 talks about the Apostles and older Men (a Governing Body), rendering a decision.

As has been pointed out in a number of Posts , no way do these verses speak of a Governing Body. If they did, who would they "Govern" ? The various Christian groups were not unified in Doctrine, and were self Governing. The idea promulgated by the JW's of a single body of united Christians who would actually acknowledge governance over them is total nonsense.

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I have read and re read acts chap.15 and for the life of me I can't find the part about the 1st century governing body!

by nowwhat? in

i cannot find the verse where it talks about several self appointed men that went behind closed doors to render their decision regarding circumcision.

all i see is that it was the apostles, older men and the congregation that came to a decision.

perfect example of why we need the governing body today.

Phizzy

It is quite evident from the genuine words of Paul that no such thing existed, yes he did visit the older men in Jerusalem, as a kind of polite way of saying, well I'm preaching to the Gentiles , I thought I would come and say hello. It is evident he did not hold them in any higher esteem than himself. And he did not agree with them on all things.

It is doubtful that anything in Acts 15 took place at all. Acts is mainly a work of fiction, and contradicts a number of things about Paul that he says in his genuine works.

The true situation in the 1st century was that there were a number of groups formed that followed Jesus, or their view of him and his teaching, none of them recognised the remaining Apostles as authorities on Doctrine or Practice. And certainly the mantle did not fall on to someone else as an Apostle died.

There was no Governing Body.