Posts by Phizzy

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List of Critical WTS Teachings

by Vanderhoven7 in

i sent a list of statements about current wts teachings to a friend who is being carefully recruited by a seasoned witness.. hi em..... just a quick summary of what all “good” jehovah's witnesses believe...even though some of these things witnesses are not always willing to be transparent about.

this is your crash course.

i have quotations for every item listed if you want or need them.. witnesses believes that:.

Phizzy

In this Thread we have listed so many of the J.W teachings that are patently wrong.

But the one Teaching/Doctrine they have that is critical to their very existence as a credible religion, is that Jesus began to reign in heaven in the year 1914 A.D.

Without that they can have no "choosing" of them as god's Organization in 1919, and that means that, if that " choosing" is not true, then today's Governing Body are self-appointed Charlatans !

No 1914 = No 1919 = The J.W religion is a total Sham.

The 1914 teaching has been proven to be SO wrong that I wonder they are not embarrassed to keep pushing it, admittedly in a subtle, underhanded way, not overtly like they used to, but now presenting it as a given.

They should be ashamed of themselves, fleecing people, imprisoning people mentally, and harming people for life often.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses—the Most Boring People On Earth!

by minimus in

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when i see watchtower videos or interviews i can’t help but notice how bland and boring jws really are!

they are so vanilla.

no excitement, just robotic conversation.. what the hell happened to these people?

Phizzy

They really are the Most Boring People on Earth.

I have J.W family, and whenever I speak to them, I am struck that THEY have nothing to talk about ! I fill in the silences with lots of stuff about what me and my non-JW family have been doing, but them ? they know I don't want to hear about their latest Convention by Zoom or whatever, so, what have they got ? NOTHING !

What a waste of a life is one spent in the J.W. Org !

Something has just occurred to me about the BORING Meetings and Conventions. A question, can any J.W remember the "wonderful Spiritual food" that was imparted at a Convention 20 years ago ? ten ? five ? NO !

We had an elderly Sister who took copious notes at the Convention, when the Elders had the bit on the Meeting about bringing out the highlights from the Convention, they used to crib from her notes ! Because they could not remember what was presented at the Convention just a few weeks before !

The Convention talks are supposed to be way above the ones given in a Congregation, but were INSTANTLY forgettable !!

Meetings and Conventions that are instantly forgettable ?

You cannot get more boring than that.

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The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger

by Disillusioned JW in

despite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".

below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.

Phizzy

mickbobcat, the Theory of Evolution explains how Flora and Fauna evolve over time, so it explains how the plants and animals we see today got here. Nothing more.

If you want to get in to how Life on Earth started, which is one question, or how the Universe we know came in to existence, which is a a separate question, they are NOTHING to do with Evolution.

If you wish to know about those two things you have to study Abiogenesis, and Cosmology.

I also suggest you look at the very solid proof that argues vigorously against the idea of complexity and diversity being proofs of design.

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What’s Your Opinion On The News Media?

by minimus in

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do you think most of what they cover is accurate?

do you trust the media , especially mainstream?.

Phizzy

Here in the U.K we have Newspapers owned by billionaires who live offshore, pay no taxes here, but wield huge influence. They support only the Right Wing who will not Tax their Corporations as they should.

They Mind Control the populace.

We have a Public Broadcasting Company that is a disgrace, it always has supported the Establishment Right Wing, it reports only stuff favourable to the Establishment Right Wing, and it suppresses a lot of News, hundreds of thousands can march in protest at the Government, and it will not be reported. It smears anyone Left of Atilla the Hun, and everyone in Palestine is a " militant" according to them. They are so pro-Israel that they are an embarrassment to all who see what Israel is.

The other broadcasters, on Radio and T.V are not much better.

Basically, here in the U.K the News Media have sold out. To hear truth and the real story, you have to search on-line to obscure sources, no wonder we are in Deep Shit.

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The right to not be exposed to ideas I don’t like or agree with?

by EdenOne in

ok, i would like to submit to the forum the following question: in abstract, do you think that there is a right to not being exposed to ideas that you don’t like or disagree with?

please think it through and its implications on both ends of the spectrum.. it’s not the right to conscientious objection to do something you vehemently disagree with; it’s not about the liberty to chose which ideas you want to embrace or advocate.

it’s something different.. given that, as exjws, we understand the importance of being exposed to different opinions in order to form our own opinion, should someone claim the right not to be exposed to opinions or ideas that they don’t like?

Phizzy

I firmly believe that for people to have the Legal Right to resist being exposed to opinions etc they disagree with is to be resisted as firmly as we can !

If people live in an "Echo Chamber" that simply confirms their view, how do they know their opinions and beliefs are correct ?

I find it a pain in the bum when I am confronted by ideas and opinions I know to be wrong, but why should I not know the shit people are coming out with ? I find it a pain because I usually feel Duty Bound to put such people right.

if my own opinions are correct and can be backed up with facts and evidence, why should I be worried by being confronted with nonsense ?

I am so glad that many opinions I held, many things I thought were true, were shown to be not so by people who knew better. If I had listened to the JW Org rules, I would still be in that Echo Chamber, the J W Mental Prison.

No, as long as it isn't Hate Speech, likely to foment violence, expose me to it as much as you like !

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Does this look like the WT is going to be around a long time? One Watchtower @ One Awake for the public in 2022

by pistolpete in

i keep hearing that the watchtower org is going to be around forever because of the many other religions that have been around a long time.

but i disagree because the wt is not like other religious cults.. the watchtower's breath of life is dependent on the last days that started in 1914. .

you can’t change 1914 without a death blow to the entire organization.. the watchtower's 2nd reason for staying alive, is it's continual urging that the life saving preaching work of warning people is the most important work ever.. but- it's very obvious to many, even the old ones that instead of speeding up the work------the work is slowing down to a drip.. comment by former believer; .

Phizzy

" The test will be when they are called back to the K. Hall and asked to go door to door and out on the street. The ones I know and are close enough to speak openly don't want to do that again..."

I am not surprised they don't want to do the knock-knocks again. Nobody liked doing that anyway, and letter writing or whatever is much less painful. But, I would have thought a lot would want to return to the K.H for the social side of things, and for gossiping etc.

But maybe there is reluctance for this too, they can still Socialise, still Gossip, without all the faff of preparing for, travelling to, and then sitting through a boring Meeting.

Covid may have a positive thing or two come out of it !

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Does Anybody Here Pray To God?

by minimus in

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i’m just curious..

Phizzy

Any Gods or Goddesses are fictional characters, to pray to them is deluded.

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"Not Bringing Reproach on Jehovah's Name" is a Non-Sensical Excuse for Shunning

by truth_b_known in

for whatever reason i was thinking on the topic of jehovah's witnesses' practice of disfellowshipping its members based on the concept of preventing "bringing reproach on jehovah's name".

follow me if you will -.

over 20 years ago a friend of mine did something rather crazy; he committed a major crime.

Phizzy

This business of "reproach on Jehovah's name" as has been pointed out means that the Org equates itself with Jehovah.

Reproach upon the Org is what they are talking about really, so it makes it really strange that they have such a poor record in making sure reproach on the Org does not happen.

The primary example of this is the Sex Abuse Scandal. If they had only done what they should, institute immediate Reporting to all appropriate Authorities, and set up an actual working Vulnerable Persons protection Programme, as all responsible Organizations do, they could have avoided much reptoach upon the Org, and more importantly avoided much of the abuse actually happening.

THEY STILL HAVE NOT DONE THOSE TWO THINGS !!!! WHY ??

The other area they fall down on is their woeful lack of any real Pastoral work, so many problems become Big problems, which if they had skilled Pastors actually caring for the flock, would have been dealt with before they grew to the point where someone has to be DF'd.

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2021-July-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

by Atlantis in

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2021-july-s-147-announcements and reminders.

english and german.

https://www.filemail.com/d/rscphytdmrtfyau.

Phizzy

They are going to create a "Museum" of stuff at H.Q, and maybe other Bethel Homes ? They are asking for stuff from the early 20th Century mainly, I bet the exhibits are carefully chosen ! so much embarrassing stuff went on under Rutherford.

They have asked for pre 1700 Bibles ? supposedly to make it look as though there is a link between the JW org and the producers of such Bibles, which there is not. Of course , once donated, they could always flog 'em off later.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses—the Most Boring People On Earth!

by minimus in

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friends

when i see watchtower videos or interviews i can’t help but notice how bland and boring jws really are!

they are so vanilla.

no excitement, just robotic conversation.. what the hell happened to these people?

Phizzy

I remember remarking to an Elder about 25 years or more ago, that at any one meeting 25% of the potential attendees were missing, not always the same people, but the same percentage.

He replied " Yes, that is because the Meetings are SO boring".

They were, in the main, even back then, now they must be so bad that if I sat through one, my brain would melt and run out of my ears.

They must be finding it well nigh impossible in the affluent World at least, to make a convert from the Public. If people are not engaged by something, they move on to something they do find interesting.