Posts by Phizzy

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David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

by neat blue dog in

i know this recent video has been talked about already but i just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:.

splane says that if a bible student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the hall.

for any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is not a satisfactory answer.

Phizzy

EverApostate makes some great observations above , it was thoughts like those that began my (too) slow waking up.

I am convinced that similar thoughts will stir in many a JW. I do hope so, then this pathetic rubbish Talk with all its Straw Man Fallacies will do more harm than good !

I know it will reinforce the thicko J.W.s in their idea that anything negative is "Apostate Lies" so they stick their fingers in their ears, to that extent Devious Splane will have achieved what he wants, but it eventually means that anyone with an ounce of Critical Thinking skills, several sparking brain cells and a conscience of their own, will have left.

The remaining J.W's will just be pathetic Mind Controlled Zombies.

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Are Exjws Now More or Less Politically Involved In Your Opinion?

by minimus in

jw
friends

personally, i have always enjoyed political banter.

i obviously was very careful about not getting involved in politics with fellow witnesses.

still, i always was interested in it.

Phizzy

I certainly cannot speak for other XJW's, but I have become a Keyboard Warrior in the Political field, fighting against untruth and promoting Democratic Socialism, and of course, from the time I left the Org. voting accordingly.

I shall fight for as long as I can for a better World, and for better Governance, where the Governments all are " For the Many, not the Few".

I think it is a Civic Duty to be politically active............... unless you are a Right Wing Moron, then Eff Orf !

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Beyond the Watchtower

by BereanThinker7 in

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203474749415.

im a watchtower/bible students history nerd.

i find the movement that engulfed my entire family fascinating.

Phizzy

I only have it in the form of good old fashioned Paper, and at present it is in Storage with a lot of my old stuff. When I can retrieve it I may be able to get it on here.

It is a good few years since I read it, and from memory it is pretty deep theological stuff, but I found it interesting, so will put it up on here when possible.

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Why the Watchtower has changed. They actually had no choice.

by pistolpete in

did anyone ever check the doctors who claimed something that backed up the wt society.. .

jw / ex-jw tales.

i remember the watchtower and awake magazines used to have tons of articles on every subject you could think off.. history, medical, science, masturbation, dating, homosexuality, etc.. this was before the internet.

Phizzy

Probably a subject for a new Thread, but the WT/JW Org has always only changed because they had to, I wonder what changes will be forced upon them by circumstances in the future ?

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The Light Actually IS Getting Brighter

by Magnum in

the light really is getting brighter, but what kind?

i can think of three types of figurative light in this context:.

1) that which jws refer to and they base on pr 4:18. light on a path... light that gets brighter.

Phizzy

Proverbs 4 v18 says "the Path of the righteous one gets brighter..." it simply means that a Righteous man or woman, as they go through life, see ever clearly how they should conduct their own life. Nothing more.

These proverbs were collected and compiled in to a Book before Scripture existed ! The J.W Org misappropriation of this Bible verse, and misapplication is something they should be ashamed of.

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Why the Watchtower has changed. They actually had no choice.

by pistolpete in

did anyone ever check the doctors who claimed something that backed up the wt society.. .

jw / ex-jw tales.

i remember the watchtower and awake magazines used to have tons of articles on every subject you could think off.. history, medical, science, masturbation, dating, homosexuality, etc.. this was before the internet.

Phizzy

Fact checking via the Internet is such a wonderful resource.

The lies and deception by the JW Org/WT are so easily exposed, they can only get away with doing similar to a degree by NEVER quoting sources and saying things like " A recent Study says..... " or " A Scientist says " etc etc if no sources are quoted they simply could be making up what they say, or more likely, quoting sources and Scientists who are doubtful and certainly not qualified to pronounce on the matter in question. They really are devious Buggers. which begs the question, : " If you have the Truth, why do you have to lie about it ?".

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Phizzy

" Poorly done work is just that. Poorly done work."

True, but it is vital that before Posting something that will be seen by JW's as an attack on what they believe to be "the truth" we need to do proper Research and make 100% sure what we are saying is Rock Solid.

Posting unsubstantiated rubbish just reinforces the concept of "Apostate Lies" and may halt, or at least postpone, a person's finding the Road to Freedom from the JW mental prison.

People like Mike and Kim, Rick Fearon etc can do more harm than good by sloppy work.

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Beyond the Watchtower

by BereanThinker7 in

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203474749415.

im a watchtower/bible students history nerd.

i find the movement that engulfed my entire family fascinating.

Phizzy

Joseph sent me a long Paper on his ideas entitled " Beyond the Trinity" , that was interesting to me, to see his reasoning, though personally I was Beyond Belief by that time.

He was a clear thinker. His prose was a little strange, I wonder if his first language was not English ? But it was very readable.

If I can track down the Book I would be interested to read it, as again, Joseph's thought processes about leaving the WT will interest me.

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Are you PIMI Lurker?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

what brings you here?.

what would you like to say to pimi lurkers?

.

Phizzy

I was PIMI when I first started to allow myself to explore the Internet with regard to JW teaching. Yes. I was not a 100% believer, I was born in, but never in all my nearly six decades in was a one-hundred percenter.

But, I still believed some basics, so class myself even at that time, a year or so before I actually left, as a PIMI.

So, if you are a PIMI JW and feel able to, introduce yourself anonymously, don't give many personal details, especially any that would identify you, and discuss whatever you wish with us, we are very gentle and understanding !

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Shunning from different perspectives

by jonahstourguide in

hi folks,.

this interesting article on abc australia covers views of people ex-communicated or shunned by a couple of institutions.

it also includes paul grundy's experience.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/the-australians-who-were-cast-out-of-their-religions/100306930.

Phizzy

I like this from the conclusion of the Article, a nice positive note !

" Counsellor Nicola Stevens also says there can be positives, no matter how traumatic the split is.

"People are pretty incredible and I think even when they have been through traumatic experiences, there is a thing that we call 'post-traumatic growth'," Ms Stevens says.

"People can experience growth and make some sense after what has happened, and find a way to accept that it's happened.

"With resilience and strength … people can find ways to create a life worthwhile and meaningful for them, even after an event like this."