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"OH SHIT, THEY'RE FINALLY SEEING THROUGH OUR BOLLOCKS!" SAY CHURCH LEADERS AFTER ENGLAND AND WALES REVEALED TO BE MINORITY CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES
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Posts by Phizzy
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2Those who have a religion in decline in England and Wales !
by Phizzy inhttps://www.thenewselephant.co.uk/oh-shit-theyre-finally.... "oh shit, they're finally seeing through our bollocks!
" say church leaders after england and wales revealed to be minority christian countries.
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Two Translators Who Restored God’s Name to the NT
by Wonderment inone of the first prayers that many people learn is the lord’s prayer, which jesus taught his followers.
this prayer is found in what is commonly called the new testament.
the prayer begins: “our father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified [or hallowed].” (matthew 6:9) yet, god’s name, rendered in english as “jehovah” or sometimes “yahweh,” is rarely found in english translations of the new testament.
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Phizzy
As I have said before on similar Threads, the hypocrisy and talking out of both sides of their mouths that is done in this instance by the JW org is blatantly obvious.
They claim that their guiding principle in producing the NWT was to go by the authority of the oldest extant Manuscripts. Hence they rightly , according to that principle, exclude verses that are not in the oldest MS.
None of the oldest MS, or M.S fragments of the N.T contain the Divine Name.
No wonder the NWT has zero credibility among N.T Scholars.
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New Discovery at Mt. Ebal: the earliest historical instance of the name of God
by Terry in.
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https://youtu.be/guzbxzdpflo.
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Phizzy
"the ABR team failed to get permission for the Mt. Ebal sifting project from either the Palestinian Authority or Israel’s Staff Officer for Archaeology of the Civil Administration of Judea and Samaria, calling into question the legality of the project and the find. Additionally, the ABR team did not receive an export license to take the tablet out of the country for analysis, as is required by Israeli law." Not fishy at all this find is it ? All done like true professionals ....not. It strikes me that if it was as early as claimed this could be proof of the god called Yahweh by us as being part of the Canaanite pantheon before the adoption as a main god of their tribes by the Israelites. Not at all what Bible believers wish to believe.
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Jesus as 'The mighty + almighty God'
by JW Answers injehovah's witnesses refuse to believe that jesus is the almighty god.
they would state that jesus is 'mighty', but not almighty.. below is a 30 minute video proving from the word of god that the lord jesus christ is both mighty and almighty, separate from the father but equal too.. the verses used from scripture show without a doubt that christ is mighty (isaiah 9:6) and almighty (rev 1:7-8)..
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Phizzy
Isaiah was not talking about some obscure itinerant preacher called Jesus of Nazareth. Isaiah is talking of an already anointed King, in his own time. To read back into this a "prophecy" for centuries later is a misuse of Scripture.
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Something that bothers me personally
by Blotty in(i apologise if this is the wrong section for this - its the one i think suits best)this may sound really cliché (it does in my opinion) and a first world thing, but it bothers me someone can be like this and spout these "illogical" arguments (among others, which i will list as questions in the near future)i recently (as of 21/11/22) finished up a conversation with someone on a few things - i find one of their "implications" slightly concerning.. they wouldn't accept "evidence" from scholars who seemingly didn't agree with their standpoint which is interesting.
i.e on the divine name, i listed scholars such as george howard - i got the answer "try a real scholar"or another example i cited beduhn as (in my opinion) he is easy to understand but then got told "he doesn't teach greek at a university so his opinion is not valid" - scholars may not cite beduhn, but from looking at other factors he really gets nothing wrong (linguistically)once again i apologise if this is wasting anyone's time.
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Phizzy
"you seem to be focusing on the Jewish name for God", the problem with arguing about it is manifold, but YHWH is in all probability not a "Jewish" or Hebrew name anyway. The god YHWH came from a nearby people, who spoke a language no doubt closely related among the Semitic languages to Hebrew, but different even so.
If you are arguing about whether "Jehovah" should be in the N.T at all, Scholars are not in agreement at all upon this. The arguments both ways are good.
As Pete says above, it isn't important as far as its use in the NWT is concerned apart from two aspects, one is that it is obvious that the bias of the NWT producers/editors is obvious as to when they do put "Jehovah" in and when they do not, and the second is the JW org. contention that they bow to the authority of the earliest M.S , they do not in this case do they ?
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Temple Talk
by peacefulpete inrecall the famous charge made against jesus in his trial in the gospel mark: .
“we heard him say, ‘i will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days i will build another, not made with hands.’”.
matt has a shorter version which likely reflects what he saw in his copy of mark:.
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Phizzy
As with all the Gospels, totally exact dating is impossible for Mark. We know it has suffered additions, the long Ending being the obvious, but was the bit written about the temple rebuild a fair time after 70 CE, a year or two, when it was obvious that it wasn't going to happen, the "three days" being long gone ?
On the Zechariah "prophecy" this comes from the section of the book known as Second Zechariah from Chapter 9 on from memory, so is it a prophecy ? or by the time of writing was rebuilding well under way ? Please correct me if I have this wrong Pete, this is just my rambling thoughts, prompted by my skepticism of any seeming bible prophecy.
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It appears Paul utilized Wisdom of Solomon
by peacefulpete inromans 1:18-31.
18 the wrath of god is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about god is plain to them, because god has made it plain to them.
20 for since the creation of the world god’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.. 21 for although they knew god, they neither glorified him as god nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
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Phizzy
Good find Pete ! I always like to find where the Bible Writers have plagiarised plot ideas and , as here, whole chunks of the written word.
This is the first time I have been made aware of Paul doing it. Are there perhaps, other instances ?
This is quite incendiary stuff for homophobic fundamentalist Christians, as Paul is obviously not inspired to write the words they love to quote, but is quoting the Unknown writer of a 1st Century BCE Book identified by them as Apocryphal !
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2013 New World Translation
by Jerome56 inon their website in the video "organizational accomplishments" watchtower devotes this segment to praising the superiority of the new world translation.
about half way through, david splane relates the reason for a change in wording from the old 1984 nwt reference bible to the 2013 revised nwt.
he said this was because of the recent discovery of an older manuscript that contained the greek word for overseer that was unavailable when the reference bible was being compiled.
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Phizzy
It is interesting that 1st and 2nd Peter were written very late in the 1st Century by which time the early Church was becoming more organised and maybe here in Chapter 5 of 1st Peter we see more the emergence of the concept of a Bishop , who is not merely an Elder of the general group of Congregation Elders, but has Oversight of them and the rest of the Flock.
So that makes the J.W authority figure, Chairman of the Body of Elders, a Bishop !
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Does anybody ever wonder why ?
by smiddy3 insupposedly, god jehovah, el , or whatever else he may have been called many thousands of years ago, or so the storys goes ,dealt with humans on a regular basis communicating with them for either good or bad.according to how they pleased him or displeased him.. so the bible record says.. how is it that god , jehovah or whatever other name you want to call him has not communicated with humans on any level for the past 2000 years ???.
in this scientific ,technological age ,wouldn`t you think this would be the time he would communicate with the potential dangers we face in potentially destroying ourselves and ruining the planets wildlife unless he interveined ?.
that`s if you even beleive that such a god actually exists .. and if he does why so silent in this day and age,?.
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Phizzy
There is a theory of how the brain/mind evolved that says that at one time the brain was bicameral, and so very similar in the effects people felt to what Schizophrenic people who hear voices feel, that the voices are real, and must be obeyed.
As the brain/mind evolved so that both Chambers communicated more than previously, the voices disappeared, and people who still heard them were rare, and became Oracles.
Sounds feasible to me.
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Help needed
by NewLight ini’ve been visiting this site for quite a long time, although i rarely posted.
i would like to thank simon and all the participants, for the valuable information and support that is available here, for anyone searching about the jw organization.. just a brief introduction of myself: i live in europe (english is not my native language, so please bear with any mistakes i make).
i was born in a jw family and i’m still in the organization, but i’ve been “on the fence” about leaving the organization for quite a long time.
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Phizzy
Hi New Light !
I was born in, in for decades, decided to fade, walked out of the K.H one day shortly after that decision, and then decided I could never go back, not even for a slow fade, so, I left "Cold Turkey" as they say when you just give up drugs.
I did not know at that point what would happen, would my wife stay "in" ? would my JW family shun me ? would I lose all my JW friends, people I had grown up with, and seen them marry and have kids etc ?
My wife agreed never to go back too ! Phew ! my JW family only shun me in the mildest way. One of the family told us a while ago : "We still love you, you know" . Sweet.
I did lose all my JW friends, they decided I was dangerous to know, that I would "ruin their faith" if they spoke to me.
I had some good friends who were never J.W's so hooked up with them more, and that has been wonderful, I am now closer to them than I ever was in reality to JW "friends", these "worldly" friends really care for us, do things for us, out of the ordinary things, they offer ! they love without conditions. Most "worldly" people are great !
All I can hope is that your exit is as easy, you must decide how to do it, fade or just stop. Do whatever is best for you. Do your homework, and get rid of all J.W false teachings, and the fear of the false idea of Armageddon etc.
Good Luck, all the best for the future !