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  Why Do JW`s still use the Name Jehovah ,when they admitted in the Aid Book that it is not the correct pronunciation of his name ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  isn`t that an admittion that they don`t have the "truth" ?

  about god ?.

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  Phizzy

  Why does it matter how the name is pronounced ? Why does it matter that we try to reconstruct a name that we can never be sure as to what vowels were in it, or in which order ? YHWH.

  Honestly, WHY is any of that IMPORTANT ?

  We don't pronounce hardly any of the Biblical names as the original writers and their readers did. We don't transliterate the spelling of those names. We use anglicised versions that are recognised as belonging to the person we refer to, so, Jesus, Jonathan, Mary etc. So, with the Divine Name, for once, I agree with the J.W's, an anglicised spelling, with our very own pronunciation, is fine by me, people know EXACTLY of which god we speak.
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  Phizzy

  Could you explain the concept of god you have please Slimboy ?

  I have struggled for a concise and succinct definition, perhaps that is asking too much, so a longer explanatory one may have to do, but I end up with something that is not logical, or describes , when you analyse it, something that does not exist !
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  Phizzy

  It never was logical to believe in a creator in any age. And as to morals, this here Atheist does what is right even if big brother or Sky daddy isn't watching me, because I have a Moral Compass.

  You lot who are only moral out of fear of your imaginary friend frighten me !
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  Is The Religion Of Jehovah's Witnesses Biblical?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  the answer is a definite no!.

  because every doctrine that is unique to jehovah's witnesses is not in the bible.

  the unique doctrines of jehovah’s witnesses are the ones that only jehovah’s witnesses teach.

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  Phizzy

  " Bible based does not mean biblical." That is the point ! Not that I see it as vital that Theology or Christology should not have evolved since the bible was written. Those two things evolved over the time the N.T was written !

  But, the "Bible based" thing is typical j.w Org. double speak, to the public and the average J.W, those words mean the beliefs can be shown unequivocally to be in Scripture, and as Van-the-man has shown , they re NOT !

  The Quran and Book of Mormon are just as "Bible based" as the J.W's beliefs are, which means they are not Biblical !
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  Are the statistics out yet?

  by slimboyfat in

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  isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

  or have they stopped publishing it?

  did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

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  Phizzy

  Well, I await Slimboy's excellent analysis of the figures again this year. If you have time Slim, a comparison with other religion's Reports will be interesting too.
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  The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

  the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

  the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

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  Phizzy

  " None of those words attributed (in the synoptic gospels) to Jesus said Jesus required belief in the resurrection of Jesus! " Good point !

  "Mark" was the first Gospel that we find in the N.T to be written, Matthew and Luke copy "Mark" word for a word to a great degree, and then add their two cents. The "Long Ending" to Mark is a later addition, because "Mark" lacked any real reference to the resurrection as significant perhaps.

  This reluctance to include BELIEF in the Resurrection as vital to being saved is not really contradictory to the earliest teaching we have on Christianity in the N.T, that of Paul, but of course, if one denied the FACT of the Resurrection, that person would be automatically an Apostate from their Brethren's point of view.

  So Mark Jones' summary of the Good News is not so far off, it was a simple message, which is why it had such appeal, and why Christianity spread like a flame in dry tinder.

  Jehovah's Witnesses do not preach this simple message, they add to it, complicate it, and make it not just less effective in promoting Christianity, but ruin it.
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  Celebrity Dub list grows longer

  by Nathan Natas in

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  http://www.vogue.co.uk/vogue_daily/story/story.asp?stid=14388

  campbell's god mother .

  valerie campbell has admitted that she is a devout jehovah's witness.

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  Phizzy

  What always annoyed me when I was in, was the Cult of Celebrity that was within the J.W's. The G.B and writing Committee were guilty of fawning over any celebrity that was even on the outer limits of the Org, and individual J.W's were really into it, I remember loads of lads at one Convention many years ago, all wearing a Michael Jackson glove !

  Also individual J.W's would make anyone fairly "high up" in the Org. a celebrity, I saw some sickening brown nosing at times, pathetic.
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  Christmas and the name jehovah

  by nowwhat? in

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  for the same reasons jw's reject christmas they use the name jehovah.. dec 25 is the recognized day to celebrate the birth of christ in the world.- we use jehovah because it is the recognized name of the father in the world.. it dishonors jesus because we don't know the actual date of jesus birth- even though we don't know the actual pronouncing of gods name it brings honor to god to use it.

  even though the angels rejoiced at the birth of jesus, no where in the bible does it say we should celebrate it.

  even though no where in the bible does it say christians are to be witnesses of jehovah, we proudly bear his name!.

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  Phizzy

  "Exactly. The REAL reason they don’t want members to celebrate Christmas and other holidays is to keep them away from non-Witness relatives and friends." Spot on ! Once your find out how wonderful your "worldly" family and friends are, your J.W "conditional" family and friends are just not of an acceptable standard.

  I don't know for sure, but it was, I think, the desire to make the Bible Students stand out somewhat that Russell used the name Jehovah so much, and certainly it was big part for the choice of name for the group that Rutherford made.
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  Paging punkofnice

  by riblah in

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  i've missed seeing his posts; i hope he's okay - maybe on a nice vacation (or i guess i should say holiday) and enjoying himself..

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  Phizzy

  Hope everything is O.K. with Punkie, lovely guy. I urged him to get proper help, I hope he did, part of his therapy may be a rest from anything vaguely J.W ?

  If you read this Buddy, we are here for you !
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  The Spanish Inquisition.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  a friend is just after sending this to me.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zcrssl/schism_in_jehovahs_witnesses_over_secret_abuse/.

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  Phizzy

  This is going to spread, especially if the Org. loses in a High Court in some Country or other. And they DESERVE to lose, the Shunning Policy, and more importantly the way the Practice is carried out, goes against at least two of the U.N and European Human Rights as enshrined in Law.

  The org. likes to hide behind one such Right, Freedom of Religion.

  I forget where it was, but one Judge I think it was, pointed out that Freedom of Religion NEVER trumps other Human Rights.