Posts by Phizzy

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Phizzy

" Franz had a talent for continuity ...." Mad Freddy was Autistic, and that helped him to disregard the problems with his theology etc. But he was crafty, and wriggled his way around the problems, he knew he was bull-shitting on some level, but he was good at it, he would have made a better politician than Trump, not so openly corrupt and dishonest.

How they now deal with this "dead horse" they are still flogging will be fascinating to see, but their retention rate is already pathetic, their conversion rate of members of the public is equally piss-poor, they need to do SOMETHING, re-branding did nothing much for them.

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Exercise Patience Regional Convention

by Rattigan350 in

the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

Phizzy

There was a Thread or two on here that explained the Assembly Hall and Regional Convention Accounting Scam, one Thread was done by an Elder who knew all about the method.

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How unpopular is JW org with the American Public ?

by Phizzy in

barb.

anderson posted this link,on face book, see how far down j.w org is !.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/12/23/americans-views-religious-groups-yougov-poll?fbclid=iwar0-i-ju-nmskoh2yvbnfacipc_vptwmjzrsjn58if3jxicq41vv2ke0lu0.

Phizzy

1,000 people seems to be the norm for you-gov surveys, which is why they are often bollocks. They can't afford to spend too much, they have to build up a few more £Millionfor Zahawi to "forget about" or "mislay". Image result for Pic Nadhim Zahawi. Size: 174 x 185. Source: www.standard.co.uk

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How unpopular is JW org with the American Public ?

by Phizzy in

barb.

anderson posted this link,on face book, see how far down j.w org is !.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/12/23/americans-views-religious-groups-yougov-poll?fbclid=iwar0-i-ju-nmskoh2yvbnfacipc_vptwmjzrsjn58if3jxicq41vv2ke0lu0.

Phizzy

Barb. Anderson posted this link,on face book, see how far down J.W org is !

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/12/23/americans-views-religious-groups-yougov-poll?fbclid=IwAR0-I-jU-NmskOh2YVbNfaCiPC_vPTwMjZrsjn58if3JxiCQ41Vv2kE0LU0

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The "Time of the End"

by Rivergang in

for those who still hold to the belief that the last 109 years have been part of "the time of the end", consider this: .

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive.

it would have been quite understandable if those alive during the middle of the 6th century ad believed the "end was nigh.".

Phizzy

I remember giving a Public Talk where in my intro I read a lot of quotes from over those Centuries about being in the Time of the End, the audience nodded along, thinking they were talking about our day, I then revealed when they were from, the latest one had been from the 1700's !

I guess I then had to talk about how we knew we really were in the last days now, I cannot remember the content, but I was not awake then, so probably I gave out a load of shite.

I wonder how long they can keep flogging this dead horse of "any day now" ? It reminds me of the centuries when the Jews used to say the mantra "Next year, in Jerusalem", mind you, that came true for some in 1948 , the J.W thing never will come true !

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

Phizzy

Interesting ! I have a feeling this will change a lot of what I have thought up until now, I have some reading to do !

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mentally ill/delusional or con artist?

by enoughisenough in

maybe this has been discussed in the past and i wasn't here... what do you think?

are the gb members knowingly pulling a con, or do they have delusions of grandeur?

i will go out on a limb here to say that i think they are con artist.

Phizzy

I think they have been carefully selected over the years as fully indoctrinated believers. The difficulty is when they get to the top, they see how it all really works.

But, as full believers, they justify and rationalise this. I have seen this operate in people who have climbed the Political ladder, they may still be "believers" in the ideology they espouse, but realise it is pragmatic to lie to the "faithful" by not telling the whole truth, or downright telling porkies. But, the said politician STILL believes !

So, with the position, must come increased cognitive dissonance, but they have had a lifetime of dealing with that.

Deluded Charlatans are still Charlatans.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Phizzy

"Scholar" said : " all of the population had left Judah leaving the Land desolate for a fixed period of 70 years until they returned home 70 years later"

Archaeology clearly shows the land of Judah was NOT left without population during this period. Occupation and farming continued.

But, this has taken the Thread away from the question in it's Title, I will be intrigued as to how they will get rid of the 1914 nonsense, if they ever do, if they get rid of 1914, then the 1919 "choosing" goes, so they are in a tight corner.

They tried the method of just mentioning 1914 as a "given" that did not work, so they painted themselves into that corner again by trying another specious explanation of 1914.

They are stuck with it, like a rotting, stinking, dead animal tied around their necks.

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Are Both The JW And The Ex-JW Community a Cult?

by Vanderhoven7 in

charlie ryde writes:.

let us use the same bite model for determining if something is a cult to both being a jw and being ex-jw.

mind you this is a short summary.. b- behavioral control.

Phizzy

I agree almost 100% with Eden One's comment above, except remembering my own experience upon leaving, as a very naive person, having been born in, I really appreciated the guidance of Posters on here, and elsewhere on line, who helped me begin to learn how to think Critically, how to really examine my beliefs etc. and they gave me the impetus to educate myself.

So, though not campaigning to save people, but a kindly nudge to them may be helpful, but, as Eden says, if they are a pig (ignorant) you won't teach them to dance.

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Nethinim...Con-men or Prostitutes....

by peacefulpete in

i thought a short commentary on the "nethinim" (nathinim, nethunim) would be fun.

the word (given (ones) is used in verbal form in reference to the levites until the post exilic stories whereupon it takes on a new usage as a name of a specific non-israelite people serving in the temple.

it is much complicated by the various descriptions from p,d,j but it is clear we have some conflict of opinions about the history and role of this group.. in josh 9 we have an apparent late attempt to identify nethinim with the gibeonites.

Phizzy

So, if the Nethinim are post-Exilic, and slaves given for service by rich worshippers, these would be people living in the land when the returnees got back from Babylon ? Rich worshippers and slaves in the land ? or did the two classes form over time as the 2nd temple was built ?