Posts by Phizzy

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The Lost Qos

by peacefulpete in

the names of the gods of palestine and surrounding regions are known to most of us only through the condemnations of the ot writers.

baal peor, hadad, chemosh, molech/milkom dagon, etc.

it is therefore surprising that the main deity of the sister nation to the south, edom is never mentioned.

Phizzy

So it is possible that Qos evolved/morphed/been absorbed into Yahweh, in which case the Israelites may have worshipped Qos first ? or have I got that wrong ?

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in lanark, scotland, the congregation of jw's moved from their old kh in 2021, to their new one - a mere 20 yards across the road.. https://www.google.com/maps/@55.6737105,-3.7766103,3a,75y,150.95h,97.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sd6nifniiuccxgv5kovtbog!2e0!6shttps:%2f%2fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2fv1%2fthumbnail%3fpanoid%3dd6nifniiuccxgv5kovtbog%26cb_client%3dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3d203%26h%3d100%26yaw%3d309.83023%26pitch%3d0%26thumbfov%3d100!7i16384!8i8192.

if you rotate the street view camera, you will see the empty premises (future kh) directly opposite.. the new kh features a jw shop at street level, and the auditorium upstairs.. they've even got a tv screen in the window, so people can watch stephen lett on video!

here is the finished article:.

Phizzy

Interesting ! the cost of this move was presumably stumped up by the local J.W's, but I bet the C.O was behind the idea, to get a building that was all theirs.

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Another interesting comment made by a PIMI JW

by joe134cd in

i thought i’d shear this with you good people.

the cognitive dissonance is just breath taking.

i over heard this comment at a relatives family dinner the other night.

Phizzy

Only in certain Congregations here in the U.K were beards frowned upon in any way. I grew mine in early '75, 6 months or so before that W.T came out, interestingly I had at the time received a letter from H.Q in N.Y saying that they could not make Rules for the whole World as to dress and grooming, and that the local BOE would make any decision on appointments, taking in to consideration local attitudes.

I was appointed M.S later that year, with a beard, I kept the beard and gave even away Public Talks etc. for about 13 years after that.

I also grew my hair long for a while, down to my shoulders, I would not have got away with either in even some neighbouring K.H's. My Congregation was a one off, known as Rebels, one C.O told me on his first visit that other C.O's had told him they didn't like coming to us, because we questioned everything the "Society" said.

If I hadn't been in such a liberal, rebel type Congo. I would never have stuck it for as long as I did, I'm sure.

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How many terms does the bible bother to explain

by Blotty in

the bible is well known for its ellipsis* and its lack of explanatory statements of a term used.

there are exceptions in grammatical patterns, such as john exclusively using archon for ruler in his writings - which make the term self evident.sin - is defined"one" (unity) - is somewhat defined and also self evident from the context (no exceptions, every person part of that unity is listed in the context)an interesting thing to see would be how many terms are actually used and explained.

*the omission from speech or writing of a word or words that are superfluous or able to be understood from contextual clues..

Phizzy

"The Qumran sect, the Gnostics, the Cerinthians, the Paulinists, the Jamesians, each had colored usage." That is why we have to be so aware when trying to understand what their meaning was, of course, their intended readership understood, or the Writer assumed they did ! hence they never felt the need to explain !

Also many words in the N.T take on a unique nuance of meaning, different to both Classical and Koine Greek.

"...became neutered and domesticated, stripped of sectarian meaning and catholicized." I presume you mean, PP, that the pseudepigraphical Epistles were written this way ? or are you pointing to a later Editing ?

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No more public WT & Awake?

by mikeflood in

have you guys noticed, this year 2023 no more public edition magazines...i wonder how they are gonna spin that fact.

Phizzy

It always comes down to money,$$$,and covering their Corporate arses.

It is expensive to produce and ship magazines, and they do not produce donations or new members.

It is easy to change stuff on-line, in the old days they had to print special, secret Editions of embarrassing Mags. suitably Edited, to bind into the Volumes, and hope the original mags disappeared.

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things shelved, not looked into because of group think

by enoughisenough in

here are some things i never really believed the jw taught...i just didn't really examine it closely.

i shelved it, so to speak, thinking no one is perfect and they know more than me...if i ever thought about it at all.. i never believed that only jws would be spared at armageddon.

i never believed the where in james, you went to the elders to confess being spiritually sick-always thought that referred to a real illness.

Phizzy

I often wonder what my life would have been if I hadn't shelved things, I can remember, but not firmly date, a few times when a question that rocked the teachings occurred to me, and yet I shelved it, shoved it to the back of my mind.

The first big one was when I was at mum's for lunch in around 1981, and she was telling me about some who had left the org. she said "They do not believe in 1914!" as though that would clinch things, but I remember thinking, but not saying of course, "I'm not sure I do". Why Oh Why did I not pursue that thought ?

I could have been free from that time, instead of about 25 years later !

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Article & Documentary on the Divine name

by Blotty in

video documentary and academic article on the divine name:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljpgxsyiqtc&ab_channel=johnwyatthttps://www.academia.edu/14029315/the_name_of_god_y_eh_ow_ah_which_is_pronounced_as_it_is_written_i_eh_ou_ah_simplified_edition?email_work_card=title this does not prove gods name was present in the nt, however some points do lead us to that conclusion simply by process of elimination.

Phizzy

I do not trust the conclusions and arguments of Gertoux, he is especially at odds with a large number of Scholars, from more than one Field, in his contention that the Exodus, and surrounding events, actually took place. I seem to remember reading somewhere that he believes Eve was a real person ???

The Video is as boring, overblown and inaccurate as any produced by the JW org.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Phizzy

" They will end the 1914 teaching with something similarly misleading, falsely prophesied."

I do not think they intend to end the 1914 nonsense in a way that actually shows it to be what it is.

They are forced to do what they did with Rutherford's 1925 tripe, let it die, bury it, move on.

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Jehovah's witnesses sying County Governor om Oslo and Boken, Norway

by InquiryMan in

oops title going wrong.

suing, in and viken correct.

this afternoon a press release from the jw has been published in major news outlets in norway concerning the withdrawal of registration etc..

Phizzy

They are doing their usual arrogant thing of thinking they are above the Law, and can ignore Human Rights, and thinking they will win in Court because they "have Jehovah's backing".

I sincerely hope they lose, as people's lives are at stake here, and the reverberations of a loss in Court will go throughout Europe and maybe the World.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Phizzy

" Franz had a talent for continuity ...." Mad Freddy was Autistic, and that helped him to disregard the problems with his theology etc. But he was crafty, and wriggled his way around the problems, he knew he was bull-shitting on some level, but he was good at it, he would have made a better politician than Trump, not so openly corrupt and dishonest.

How they now deal with this "dead horse" they are still flogging will be fascinating to see, but their retention rate is already pathetic, their conversion rate of members of the public is equally piss-poor, they need to do SOMETHING, re-branding did nothing much for them.