Posts by Phizzy

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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

by BeaverEater in

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im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

lol.

Phizzy

What I find sad is those who see through a particular religion, but still retain some of the plainly stupid ideas that promote fear, and therefore work against such a partially free person actually being happy.

This is not only seen in an XJW who retains a fear of Armageddon say, but can be seen in those who have left other areas of "Christian" faith and still retain a fear of Hell or god's adverse judgement in some way.

Such people need to do proper research, free their minds and hearts , and then be truly happy.

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Is a belief in GOD only found in the Bible ? Of course not .what about all of the other religious sects? Do they not count ???

by smiddy3 in

the world is made up of many religions christian and otherwise .. whose to say which religion is more superior than another religion ?

or has the approval of a god ?.

none that i can think of.. since humans have been on earth god has kept silent as to who represents him , if any at all..

Phizzy

Smiddy the first ten words of your last sentence are spot on " Since humans have been on earth GOD has kept silent..."

Spot on ! its almost as though the bugger doesn't exist !

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Phizzy

" Smiddy 3 asked ; "The bible presents a flat earth cosmology.

I have never heard of this before ,can someone elaborate this for me ?"

here it is Buddy !

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Phizzy

" .I don't know how it can possibly be calculated. No, honestly, I really don't."

That is what I was saying in my earlier Post, to take as true the time periods given by Bible Writers is naive and ignorant. As many Posts on here in years past have shown, by erudite people like " Peaceful Pete" and " Leolaia", we are dealing with literature here of various genres, none of which are history in any sense we would recognise.

So even when a seemingly specific period like "430 years" or whatever is spoken of, this is often for literary reasons, and rarely accurate. It can't be done, apart from very generally, we can say things like the Bible seems to place the Story of so-and-so in such and such a period. this as close as we can get !

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Is Bible chronology true?

by Fisherman in

according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

Phizzy

There isn't really anything that we can call "Bible" Chronology. What we have to do is find some events the Bible mentions, like the taking of Babylon by the Persians, and then hang everything else off that.

The problem is the Bible stories are mainly Fiction, so So-and-So king reigned in Israel for X many years is just not reliable. As Slidin' Fast says above.

So, wotcha gonna do ? who you gonna call ? if you are trying to fix when exactly an event occurred, or when a character lived, first make sure the event, or character, is not Fictional, then TRY from Biblical information, and any secular Info. you have, to decide on a date.

Good luck, and be aware you cannot be sure of your conclusions.

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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

by BeaverEater in

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friends

im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

lol.

Phizzy

Back to beaver eaters O.P, he said " but in reality I just don't care. " I think that most of us who are non-theists of some stripe now feel the same way.

A god who cannot be detected doesn't matter.

I don't know gods do not exist,"know" in the scientific sense of having evidence they don't, but I don't care either.

We could call ourselves " Apatheists" by combining Apathy with Theist, although someone may look at the word and think we worship Bees.

Eager beaver also said " maybe for some, they need a crutch..." that can be the only reason people hang on to belief in things that cannot be proven to be true, i.e Religions and gods. (Truth is only established with irrefutable evidence, religions and their gods do not have that).

And I still don't care !

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UK Kingdom Halls for sale

by darkspilver in

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" and a mighty cry went out over all the land: "sell !

sell !

Phizzy

Some K.H's that were sold have ended up being Mosques or used by other Christian sects, I always think that is funny !

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What`s the reason some of you think JW`s are in decline ?

by smiddy3 in

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from what i can see no such thing is happening.i became a jw in 1960 and remained for about 30 years and the numbers of active jw`s today in the world are far greater than they were back then.. and here in australia the numbers are much higher than they were back then .. so i don`t see that their in decline or have any worries about losing support .. don`t the numbers speak for themselves ?.

is it just wishful thinking on your part ?.

Phizzy

One aspect of "decline" is not so much in numbers, but in the presence in their midst of the 100% J.W believer, who goes along with all the nonsense.

All the J.W's I have spoken to in the last couple of years expressed their doubts about it being 100% "the truth. When I was in the number of people who I would rate as full believers* was well over 90%. Most are now in just for family and friends, not belief.

* By full believer I don't mean the out and out fanatic J.W, there were some of them, but those who supported nearly all of it, if having underlying doubts perhaps.

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My neighbour's views on J.W's

by Phizzy in

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i came across a thread on a site for neighbours, which includes quite a wide area really, many square miles containing a lot of villages, and a couple of towns.

it is so we can swap unwanted goods, inform each other of local crimes and scams etc, and we can vent.. there was a post that said the lady did not want this crap coming through her door, a letter and a tract from a j.w.

i won't post the thread here , as at least one xjw is on there, but all the comments below her post were anti-jw !

Phizzy

Yes "Stan", I'm the same, was deeply ashamed to be a J.W when very young, and kept quiet abut it through adult hood, until I left, then I talk about it, if it comes up. Everyone I have spoken to either knew someone or was an ex or sort of. The last lady I spoke to in a shop where I was buying a present for a J.W whose anniversary it was, told me she attended from her very early years until her teens.

I had explained I wanted something a bit special, as J.W's don't get Birthday and Christmas prezzies, so an Anniversary one is a bit special. That's when she told me, and hinted she stopped going because some Bro. was a bit "strange" toward her, ........yea, I thought that too !

What has amazed me is that the general Public don't know anything much about JDubs, some confuse them and Mormons.

But as I said in the O.P, lots seem to be getting really pissed off with the J.W "preaching" methods, good !

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My neighbour's views on J.W's

by Phizzy in

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friends

i came across a thread on a site for neighbours, which includes quite a wide area really, many square miles containing a lot of villages, and a couple of towns.

it is so we can swap unwanted goods, inform each other of local crimes and scams etc, and we can vent.. there was a post that said the lady did not want this crap coming through her door, a letter and a tract from a j.w.

i won't post the thread here , as at least one xjw is on there, but all the comments below her post were anti-jw !

Phizzy

I was telling a friend of mine, who i knew for 20 years before Im left, where I had got to, my realisation about the org. and what they really were, and he said "Well yea, but we didn't like to tell you".