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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  Phizzy

  YouGov a ? Not a Company I would trust to return a result that is close to truth. You know who owns the Company I presume ?
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  Careful what you wish for! Regarding Jehovah in the New Testament

  by pizzahut2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.

  let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.

  they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.

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  Phizzy

  I'm well aware of the processes that have gone on in Theology/Christology over the Centuries, but Apologetics are not exegesis/hermeneutics, and basically is just an exercise in justifying beliefs established not on what the Writers wanted their readers to understand.

  It is Eisegesis, which as I said above, is an insult to the Text, and if you believe it to be inspired by god, an insult to that god, and a haughty, "Well god obviously meant this", implying he was not capable of saying so.

  Of course a magisterium process of later "Revelation" or "Understanding" is necessary, if the original Writings do not confirm the now evolved Theology/Christology.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  Trade with Europe has become so mired in difficulty that many companies in the U.K have either ceased to trade altogether, or are taking huge losses because of it.

  We can Trade with the rest of the World, but transporting goods from that far is hardly helping the planet, costs are MUCH higher, unless you are buying shit. Exporting to the other side of the World does not compare with what we had either.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  Cofty, for once I must accuse you of what Monty Python would call " Statin' the Bleedin' Obvious".

  Yes, most thinking people did not like the way the E.U was going Politically, but of course now we have no way to influence or control that.

  And standing aside as we did, we will still feel the adverse affects of any false political move they make, so opting out from that point of view is hardly a "Brexit benefit".

  But cutting ourselves off from a huge market, with nothing viable to replace it, was pure lunacy.
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  a pet peeve of mine

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. friends

  putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.

  it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.

  there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.

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  Phizzy

  I agree with the main point of the O.P but more often than not the "window washer" bit has been used to describe how absolutely bereft of training the Elders are for their pastoral Role. They are trained how to "discipline", how to protect the Org, but not how to really care for the "sheep".

  I think of one case, where they were dealing with a young man, married and working, but he had got badly in to debt, the Elders pulled him in and "disciplined" him for another matter, and he walked in to the sea and drowned himself a couple of days later.

  Had they been qualified as Counsellors, and were really loving Shepherds, he would more than likely be alive today.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  "Since leaving--wages have rapidly gone up". The wage rises have nothing to do with Brexit, they are coming in to try to reduce the gap between what was earned in 2010 and now.(Tory Austerity, to keep inflation down, remember ? but inflation continued).

  There is NO BENEFIT we could have from Brexit even if it had been handled in a better way. If you think there is, list them, I will demolish them.

  SBF and Punkie have it right, it's a complete disaster. It was always going to be.
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  Careful what you wish for! Regarding Jehovah in the New Testament

  by pizzahut2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.

  let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.

  they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.

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  Phizzy

  That might be the task of Theology, to make the whole messy mish-mash of Scripture be not contradictory, to systemise the "whole of Divine revelation", but that is basically a dishonest work, and does a disservice to the original Writers, and if you believe in god, is a bit of an insult to him.

  You theologians are elevating yourselves above the god who inspired the words of Scripture.
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  How did you pass the time when the Kingdom Hall meetings became boring and repetitive/

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another boring and repetitive ''watchtower study.

  '' all the articles are about the ''faithful and discreet slave.''.

  for whatever reason, you tolerate this for years.

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  Phizzy

  When I was a kid, my mum caught me reading a James Bond Novel which I had covered with my Bible, she became suspicious because I was so devotedly reading my Bible !

  When I was older I was in charge of the Attendants Rota, if someone didn't turn up for duty, I filled in, if they did, I "lovingly" assisted them by patrolling the Car Park for them etc.

  Jeez, I'd been in the "religion" from birth, and for decades, I knew I wasn't missing anything of worth.
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  "Jehovah" In The New Testament.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.

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  Phizzy

  "5000 manuscripts," Is bandied about, and means to mislead, NONE of those are early ! so prove nothing.

  I really don't think it matters much the question "was the Name in or not", but there is a real slippery slope when people like J.W org change what the best MSS say, once you start doing that, where do you stop ? Why not write whole new N.T ? (They are some way down the road to doing that).

  I think Slimboy made a good point, the Name may have been removed for devious reasons, as the Trinity Doctrine developed. But that is no justification for what J.W Org has done.
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  Careful what you wish for! Regarding Jehovah in the New Testament

  by pizzahut2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.

  let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.

  they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.

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  Phizzy

  I always like to ask what would the readers of these words, the first ones, have gleaned from them ? how would they have understood them ?

  That way, if you answer your own question with honesty, you do not READ BACK into Scripture later Theology and ideas that were not in the Reader's minds, nor the Writer's either.