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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  2. beliefs

  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  Phizzy

  My father always thought it disgusting and wrong that they were virtually worshipped by some, so did I ! I remember Knorr coming to London when I was a young kid, and giving a Talk, a bit of an unscheduled one IIRC, and there was overly long applause when he took to the Platform, before he spoke one word ! Father did not clap AT ALL !

  What my father thought in later years, with the Direct Worship of the G.B, he never said, but as person he never changed his mind more than once or twice in his life, about anything.
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  New Blog - Divorce has been filed from JW husband!

  by madisoncembre in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the divorce from the jw husband has been filed (finally!).

  here are my musings on the subject in short form:.

  still feel a bit sad about the entire thing.

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  Phizzy

  Well done Madison ! may you find happiness and fulfillment in your future life ! I hope the Divorce process goes as smoothly as possible. And I know it will be so difficult for your girls, but they have a wonderful mother's love to see them through.
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  England: Failure to Report Child Abuse to be Illegal

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  people who work with children in england will be legally required to report child sexual abuse or face prosecution under government plans.. .

  the move - which is subject to a consultation - was recommended last year by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa).. .

  the home secretary told the bbc she wanted to correct one of the "biggest national scandals".. .

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  Phizzy

  I do hope that the JW org does not hide behind their previous disingenuous and poor excuse that they don't actually work with children and that it is the parents responsibility to protect their own children.

  (I hope the Law is tight enough to cover such pathetic excuses.)

  What utter tripe that excuse is ! The number of CSA cases over many decades show that they have a problem with not implementing a proper Child Protection Programme. Not just a bit of paper, a "policy", an actual Programme.

  Small local Clubs near me, Sporting etc., like Clay Pigeon Shooting, and Football etc. ALL have a proper active Programme with an Appointed Child Protection officer, and STRICT rules about proper "chaperoning" if the C.P. person is not present, a parent or a guardian appointed by the parents must then be present.

  If small clubs, with less than 50 members can do this, WHY CAN'T the J.W ORG ???
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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  Phizzy

  Just to get back on to the Thread's O.P, I wish to thank Simon for Posting his ongoing actions to stop religious nuts cluttering up this Site. They can find somewhere else to preach.

  Of course intelligent discussion of individual Texts and how the J.W interpretation, or often, usage of them is wrong, are helpful to J.W's who visit, and those who are just leaving. That I presume is still welcome.

  But thanks again Simon, and for your work in keeping this place going ! I hope you earn a Shekel or two from the Advertising, at present some rather pretty girls in underwear are vying for my attention, in an Ad on the right, very welcome !
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Phizzy

  You have not read my Post just before this have you ? Lazy Boy !
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  Phizzy

  Where it is important is where it exposes all the ways they have to DF you, there are more pages on that than any on actual Shepherding ! And where it plainly shows they STILL give wrong direction in cases of CSA and other abuse, violence etc. still saying 'phone Legal first !

  The appropriate Authorities, trained and qualified to handle such things, Morally should be contacted straight away, even if there is only a rumour, especially of CSA.

  ANY delay allows the Perp. time to put pressure on the Victim (s) and any witnesses, this HAS happened !
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Phizzy

  " It's a bit of a stretch to conclude that their word for 'circle' was used because they didn't have a word available that described a sphere or a ball. Can you think of any language that doesn't have different words to describe disks and balls. "

  THAT is the point, they DID have a suitable word for a Ball shape in Hebrew, the Writer chose not to use it, because he envisaged the Earth as shown in my previous Post ! He used the word for circle , which if I recall was also used for a platter.

  Which is why it is disingenuous, and totally inaccurate for the JW 's to claim they knew the real shape of the Earth !

  You can search the old Threads on this if you type in "A Sphere is not a Circle ", the first guy to mention this actually used that as his username IIRC.
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  2023-Price-Per-Publisher!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2023-price per publisher.. .

  https://imgbox.com/jshf0csu .

  atlantis!.

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  Phizzy

  " Per publisher, per what? Per month? " It was that way when I was in, years ago.

  I remember being disgusted when this system came in, I always felt donations should be voluntary, o.k. the crafty money-grubbing bastards have made it look voluntary for the individual, but it is an oblique way of putting pressure on each J.W.

  The really demonstrate Love don't they ? ....... Love of Money.
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  Do You Think Trump Is Done?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

  some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

  is trump’s goose cooked?

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  Phizzy

  I bloody hope the ignorant fat oaf is done, I detest the man.

  Hopefully we will never see him again on our T.V screens here in the U.K,after the legals are done, unless a programme shows a clip of him uttering more unintelligible drivel and self-aggrandisement on US T.V, for us all to gawp and laugh at.
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  Jeffrey Jackson: Too much excitement got in the way for the ''false dates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  annual meeting 2019—talks and 2020 year textthe governing body members are nothing but a bunch of weasels.

  here is a talk by jeffrey jackson on how the governing body ''the slave class'' has remained spiritually awake over 100 years and alerted its members.. he looks back on the ''faithful and discreet slaves'' false dates over the 100 years: '' but at times, we look back over 100 years, and there were times they got excited about a certain year or time, and the end didn't come at that time.''.

  he makes the comparison between the ''slave class ( who disappointed others when the end didn't come ) to a barking watchdog ( who in his enthusiasm barks at nothing in the middle of the night and wakes up the owner).

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  Phizzy

  About 40 or even 50 years ago I came up with an interpretation of a Scripture different to that of how the G.B interpreted matters, in the Tuesday night Book study. It really was only a minor nuance, nothing big.

  The Elder conducting told me in a supercilious way "That is not what the Society says " ( they didn't in those days say G.B or Org.)

  I just shrugged, the great thing was later in the year "The Society" published my interpretation exactly, Ha Ha .

  That Noo Lite can be a bugger ! for some.

  How do they have the GALL to claim they are directed by Holy Spirit ?