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  Mandated Shunning is a Crime

  by Lee Marsh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

  shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

  mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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  Phizzy

  " I agree with you, surely it must be left to an individual’s conscience, how can it be right to force anyone to shun or not shun... "

  That is NOT what is being campaigned for, the individual's Human Right to exercise THEIR conscience will never cease to be.

  But the Shunning as practiced by J.W org. and other high Control Groups, is mandated from the top, and members are coerced to not use their own conscience, whatever the Org, claims, we ALL know this.

  I have had one lovely old "Sister" on the 'phone to me in tears because she was forced to shun a lifelong friend and her immediate family. There ARE a huge number of J.W's who would not shun given the freedom to use THEIR conscience !
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  Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

  to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

  to break the law?.

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  Phizzy

  The latest Thread about the disgusting Pervert Elder who has just got, rightly, 15 years in Prison, could well illustrate the dangers to serving Elders, the org. will throw those Elders who appointed the Creep under the 'bus. Or the Org. will face multi-million $$$ Law Suits, they hate that !

  I shall watch for news on this !
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  JW Elder Sentenced for CSA

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.westernmassnews.com/2023/09/01/jehovah-witness-elder-sentenced-jail-child-sexual-abuse-case/?outputtype=amp.

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  Phizzy

  This shameful Case shows that J.W Org. does not have a working Child Protection Programme, why THE F**K NOT ?

  Small local Clubs and Associations where I live DO ! More often than not required by THEIR Governing Body. These groups are smaller than many a J.W Congregation, they have an appointed Protection Officer present at every event, and rules that protect anyone under 18.

  The G.B. of J.W org is directly responsible for not instituting simple protections, and should face Court for not doing so.

  I am aware that in many cases the Abuse takes place elsewhere, but the ever present Danger is brought to parent's attention by the Protection Programme, it is in their minds.
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  Retirement savings

  by TxNVSue2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

  i know it changed.

  pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

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  Phizzy

  I never bought in to the 1975 nonsense, it was all supposed to be over by October, but in August 1975 I started my private pension Plan.
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  Sagely advice of a CO

  by Vidqun in

  1. social
  2. humour

  “a circuit overseer started out by saying that on this last round of the circuit, the one thing he noticed the most...is that everyone is physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually drained...and that cuts across all barriers and demographics within the truth.

  he then said that the one common thread that ran among nearly everyone was this: we feel guilty for feeling bad.

  he said because we are told to endure with joy, our minds can cause us to feel enormous guilt over feeling this way...and then, my dear brothers and sisters...he proceeded to blow our collective minds.. he asked us to turn to daniel 8:27….

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  Phizzy

  One of the things that added to our Cognitive Dissonance, my wife and me, was that it went through our minds that something was wrong if we did not feel this constant "Joy", and also we never felt the "excitement" at the prospect of an upcoming Convention.

  Of course, being "in" we blamed ourselves, we didn't make the connection with the truth that it was not us at fault, but the so-called "truth", for about a decade.

  I think ultimately hearing this kind of Talk from a C.O. will make the JW's feel that he cares, that he wants to be helpful, which I hope is true of him, but such poppycock from the Bible will not alleviate those feelings that J.W's have, which ARE a form of depression, and can lead to that spiralling down in to dangerous Depression, as in my case, at the point I left, I was suicidally depressed, but did not identify it as such.

  The G.B, who provided the outline for that Talk, do not have a clue about Psychology, how to help the depressed, or how dangerous their Brand of Religion is.
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  Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

  by Libby in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

  (it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

  anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

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  Phizzy

  From an old Alan Fuerbacker thread, 22 years ago, the words are not Alan's but another Poster :

  “The Branch overseer until 1959 was Percy Chapman who was sent over from London Bethel in 1936 after the schism in Canada over elected elders. Along with him came his long-time room-mate and companion, Leo Greenlees. Canadian Witnesses were shocked and puzzled when Percy Chapman was forcibly removed from his position by N.H. Knorr and demoted to janitor. He was also forced to marry although his stance on marriage for Bethel members was even more damning than Rutherford's.

  It was not until I heard rumours of Greenlees' and Chitty's forced resignations from the Governing Body for homosexuality that I knew definitely about Percy Chapman. They had been room-mates for thirty years at London and Toronto Bethels. "
  
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  Faded then apostate?

  by Teddnzo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

  family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

  what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?

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  Phizzy

  IMHO it depends upon the BOE and their attitude, Apostasy is the BIG NO NO, I wouldn't get caught doing that, but carefully check their definition in the Elders Handbook.

  I don't think in their minds seven years is long, and they view us as lifelong J.W's if we are merely "faded".

  I spoke to an Elder last year, he was reminiscing, as we had known each other for many decades, I have been out far longer than you, and yet in the conversation he said to me : "You are a Jehovah's Witness" !! I am an Atheist/Humanist not some religious nut-job, but it shows how they think of us. There seems to be a slight danger of being D.F'd even two decades or more after you left.

  Just be careful, there is no need to put yourself in their power, but there is no need to keep looking over your shoulder. I Vote, Donate Blood, Smoke and dress in a very Worldly way, I don'r care what they think. I live my life now as if I were never a J.W.
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  Is JW.org going Broke?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/e6gh6w7v03y.

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  Phizzy

  Weasel Words most times.
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  So, What's Been Going On In Watchtower Land Since January 2023?

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so what's been going on in wt land since january 2023?.

  recap and summary of events most jehovah’s witnesses are not aware of:.

  1) pennsylvania attorney general statewide investigation of jehovah’s witness elders' child sex abuse cases.

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  Phizzy

  " They live their happy life as usual. " Yes, happy in their Bubble of Ignorance.

  Thank you JWGoneBad, for the above List, I was not aware of the telling accusation of CSA ! explains a lot that ! Wow ! The Elders will have to "investigate" , if they take no appropriate action, then expect another Court Case ! Ha Ha .
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  One True Religion

  by mrquik in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is there one true religion?

  applying jesus' identifying requirements, not one religion qualifies.

  coming close doesn't count.

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  Phizzy

  No Religion can be true. Truth is only established upon irrefutable Facts and Evidence, no Religion has, or will ever, have that.