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  Things JWs Say That Don't Mean What They Think It Means

  by NotFormer in

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  sometimes things don't come across the way the speaker intended.. years ago there was an ad by the whitegoods company fisher and paykel.

  they showed them going to great lengths to get customer feedback on what was important to them.

  one customer said that she wanted it to be easy to get her appliances serviced when they broke down.

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  Phizzy

  One insidious thing they say, the Org. in writing, and picked up by individual JW's is "But where will you go ?" , this is used on those fading away, and is a blatant Mind Control Method.

  In the Org's mind, and that of J.W's you are supposed to conclude there is no alternative to the Cult, but, if you have started to use Critical Thinking Skills you think to yourself things like : " Why should I go anywhere, but just not come here ?", " Of course there are multiple choices open for me" etc.

  It doesn't REALLY mean there are no alternatives, just that they do not want you to make those choices.
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  Whatever happened to JW paedo Michael Porter?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i remember reading about this guy in a national newspaper in 2010 after he had had his trial for child sex abuse.

  porter avoided prison, despite being guilty of some acts child abuse.. the local elders defended him and were on his side and didn't df him, from what i remember.

  then after an outcry porter was was df'd, and i think sent to prison.. anyone up-to-date on this?.

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  He got 18 months in jail, after Baroness Scotland had the case looked at again, due to a Public Outcry.

  Referring to the original sentence after jailing Porter on Wednesday, Lord Justice Gage said: "The judge took a course which he recognised as lenient and he described the case as exceptional.

  "We can understand the judge's reasons for doing so. We recognise that the offender has made considerable efforts to ensure he doesn't commit any offences of this type again."

  "But we have to recognise that these were serious offences committed on a number of young children and adolescents over a long time. These offences required an element of punishment as well as an element of mercy. They must be marked with a custodial sentence."

  BUT where is he now ? he will ALWAYS be a danger to the vulnerable, and the JW Org. is a Paedophile Paradise, they have no active programme operating to protect the vulnerable.
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  WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  pardon all caps on original post title.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/176336/blondies-comments-you-will-hear-05-31-09-wt-study-praise-forever.

  comments you will not hear at the 05-31-09 wt study (march 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(righteous forever).

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  Phizzy

  What is amusing about this Story in the Gospels is, it is based upon a mistranslation by the Gospel Writers ! They only understood Greek, not Hebrew, so used a Copy of the Septuagint.

  The Translators of the Septuagint translated the word for "Maiden" in Hebrew, which means a young woman. married or not, as "Virgin" in the Greek !

  Hence, we have the Myth of the Virgin Birth, from some sloppy translating work !
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  Cult or High Control Group?

  by MillennialDawn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

  " i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

  "cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

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  Phizzy

  My motive in making the point that they ARE a High Control Mind Control Group is to hopefully wake up an active J.W or even two. And to warn members of the Public.

  Every religion is made up by man, upon zero quality evidence, but "Fake" as to J.W's is particularly pertinent, they are a Business, and only care about $$$, they do not care about their members, not one bit.
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  Bible question

  by BoogerMan in

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  when boaz lost his wife, did he become ruthless?.

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  Phizzy

  A lot of these "jokes" went around among J.W's when I was a kid, like who is the shortest bloke in the Bybull, Knee-Hi-miah. Sigh. And " Did you know baseball was mentioned in the Bible?… It starts off “In the big inning…”
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  Whatever happened to JW paedo Michael Porter?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i remember reading about this guy in a national newspaper in 2010 after he had had his trial for child sex abuse.

  porter avoided prison, despite being guilty of some acts child abuse.. the local elders defended him and were on his side and didn't df him, from what i remember.

  then after an outcry porter was was df'd, and i think sent to prison.. anyone up-to-date on this?.

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  Phizzy

  For those unfamiliar with this monster, this from an older Post :

  Man escapes jail for sex attacks

  Porter was put on the Sex Offenders Register A Jehovah's Witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in Clevedon . Michael Porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older. Among the individuals were others involved in the faith. Judge Crowther at Bristol Crown Court sentenced Porter to three years of community rehabilitation. Many of the families involved have been completely traumatised Det Con Lisa Finch Porter's sister, Tina Hughes, said: "I am absolutely disgusted. He should not have walked free. "He has lost nothing. We have to tell the victims we have got no closure. He is an evil person. He is not human." Porter carried out the assaults between 1986 and 2000. He was banned from working with anyone under the age of 18 and and put on the Sex Offenders Register. Det Con Lisa Finch, of Avon and Somerset Police, said: "Many of the families involved have been completely traumatised. It has turned their lives upside down." Porter declined to comment as he left court with his wife.He remains an elder in the religion.
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  Cult or High Control Group?

  by MillennialDawn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

  " i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

  "cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

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  Phizzy

  "It’s a bit wordy, but IMO, break it down into its component parts and I think even the most die-hard JW loyalist would have trouble refuting the label."

  I have used that definition of what the J.W Org. is many times on-line, here of course, but even on another discussion forum where J.W's were involved in the individual discussion.

  I have NEVER had a J.W or anyone else challenge THAT definition, hence I use it always, in preference to saying "Cult".
  
  
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  Cult or High Control Group?

  by MillennialDawn in

  1. jw
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  i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

  " i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

  "cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

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  Phizzy

  O.K Bluesy, "High Control, Mind Control Group."
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  Cult or High Control Group?

  by MillennialDawn in

  1. jw
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  i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

  " i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

  "cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

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  Phizzy

  I NEVER use the word "Cult" when talking to, or about J.W. Org, people have different ideas about the definition of "Cult", and you get in to a pointless discussion on the meaning.

  I always say: " Authoritarian Mind Control Group." Authoritarian", because of the hundreds of Rules, and Mind Control is self explanatory.

  I have never had anyone come back to me and deny that definition of the Org. is in any way wrong.
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  My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers

  by MillennialDawn in

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  2. friends

  i would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.

  david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.

  just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.

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  Phizzy

  Going back to Big Jim Buckingham, a couple or three of memories have come back to me, one favourable , one maybe not so much !

  My first sight of him was when he arrived at our family business to pick up a car we were lending him, as there was no Circuit car then, this is the late 1960's.

  I saw Big Jim and his wife get off the 'bus, and thought "That is definitely them !", J.W's are always identifiable by their strange garb, no matter what year it is.

  We were lending Jim a nearly new red Mini, the original, tiny, Mini, seeing him squeeze his large frame in to that was fun !

  Another memory was him doing his Congo visit a month and half after I stopped Regular Pioneering, he took me aside and had a word about the fact that while pioneering I had done 110 hours or so a month, the month after I stopped, I reported just one Hour, he kindly asked me to get a bit more regular. I didn't argue, but could have pointed out I went straight back to working 5 and a half days of hard work and long hours.

  The other , now I realise, unfavourable memory was a talk he gave stressing the imminence of 1975, I clearly remember him gesturing expressively how Jehovah's judgement would come down on the Wicked " Swish, Swish, Swish" in that year, just about 6 years away then.

  A couple of years after '75 an Elder asked if I still had the notes I had taken of that Talk, so he could use them in a Letter he was writing to the Org. about that 1975 debacle, I had taken Notes with it all in, but sadly, had disposed of them by then.

  Apart from that, Jim was a good guy IMO.