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  If 1914 gets tossed

  by Leathercrop in

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  it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

  the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

  even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

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  Phizzy

  If they drop 1914, then there was no 1918/19 choosing of an FDS by Jesus, which means the G.B of today have no authority.

  No 1914 = no "Choosing" = Today's G.B. are self-appointed Charlatans.
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  Gods on Paper and Stage

  by peacefulpete in

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  were the works of homer, aeschylus, sophocles, etc.

  acting blasphemously when creating their works of fiction because they included the gods in the stories?

  when homer placed dialog into athena's mouth, was he wrong to use his creativity to make her come alive for an audience?

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  Gods on Paper and Stage

  by peacefulpete in

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  were the works of homer, aeschylus, sophocles, etc.

  acting blasphemously when creating their works of fiction because they included the gods in the stories?

  when homer placed dialog into athena's mouth, was he wrong to use his creativity to make her come alive for an audience?

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  Phizzy

  I think those Greek Thinkers were ahead of their time, the ones looking for a less "material" view of gods. Prior to them, and ever after, the Anthropomorphising of gods went on.

  The gods and goddesses who came to Israel via Canaan and ultimately Sumer, were VERY human in their actions, having huge Banquets, Drinking Parties, and of course having copious sexual encounters and unions, the god El being particularly randy with two goddesses at one time !

  Christians today cannot manage, no matter how they try, not to anthropomorphise their god at least in some way, but the N.T does , "Revelation" talking of god's "Hand" etc.

  I think the gods are far more appealing as characters when we envisage them as supernatural beings, but being very human in so many ways, even YHWH is a much more sympathetic character when we think of him being in Love, albeit with Israel, or being saddened, or enjoying a good meal of sacrificed meat and so on.

  Therefore I can see the difficulty that those who advocate for a more mystical version of god, we puny humans cannot stop thinking of our gods, and depicting them in Art, as very human in most ways.
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  Hindsight is 20/20 and Bizarre at Best

  by jwundubbed in

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  when i was a kid, living in quakertown pa, i tried to play with the kids in the neighborhood.

  it was a new and small neighborhood with just a handful of kids, but they were all in my generation.

  one day the boy across the street comes up to me and two girls from down the street and tells us he just got a ouija board and we should all play.

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  Phizzy

  " It's just so weird, sometimes, to see how bizarre our thoughts and behaviors are in hindsight."

  It certainly is ! as I look back at the person I was as a believing J.W.

  Just the other day I did this, and it kind of shocked me that I DID actually believe a lot of the nonsense, never all of it, but it was like looking at someone else, a stranger, and a weird deluded Believer.
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  Museum Pic

  by peacefulpete in

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  a lot of ink has been spilled on the topic of the cross.

  the wt felt it had uncovered some deep conspiracy when they found a number of words were used to describe how jesus was understood to have been killed.

  there was an extensive thread many years ago that in short strongly supports the conclusion that at least some nt writers envisioned a cross, while others had a tree in mind.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks PP for the Thread, and particularly your post above, that is a very clearly and well expressed summation of what happened.

  We of course cannot know what was in the minds of the Gospel Writers, but I think your analogy of the "Left Behind" Books is a good one, and really fits what I imagine the Writer of "Mark" did, he wrote a Novel, then "Luke" and "Matthew" added to it, perhaps in their minds their Works being more the writing of a Gospel.
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  Share your Haysbridge, Surrey assembly hall memories

  by truthseeker in

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  did you ever go to the haysbridge assembly hall in surrey?.

  post your experiences.

  the assembly hall i believe used to be a reformed school for boys and was completely renovated and dedicated in 1985.. it was the only assembly hall i knew of that sold souvenir pens, book marks and notepads.. .

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  Phizzy

  " Can somebody approve that it's sold or at least, that it's not in use anymore?"

  If it has been sold, what do they use instead ? That Hall served a wide catchment area !
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  Just had a thought…

  by Vidiot in

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  i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

  …dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

  …i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

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  Phizzy

  That is so sad Ron.W, minds not just closed, but welded shut. That is a condition that is unlikely to change as long as they live.

  I guess even if there was a complete collapse of the org. and it was no more, (not going to happen), they would still say "But they did have the truth",

  The Mind Control goes so very deep with many, probably with the majority who are still in.

  The Mind Control has indeed been well embedded, and has been subtle enough in recent times to bring about the effect that Vidiot outlined in his O.P, a view of things that goes beyond all Reason.
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  if only....

  by stan livedeath in

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  Phizzy

  That is a true observation of what the J.W idea of the Kingdom will be. I even said as much to an Elder when I was an active J.W, that their vision would be Hell on Earth, and he agreed with me !
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  Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

  by IWant2Know in

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  i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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  Phizzy

  Iwant2know posted :" Phizzy said:

  Hence all of their unique Doctrines are false, using just the Bible to prove them so.

  What do you mean?"

  I shall repost Van's excellent explanation of what I meant in the above :

  " The truth is

  Every unique doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is extra-biblical, .ie., not found in the Bible.

  Every teaching that is unique and original to the religion, is derived by eisegesis rather than exegesis I.e., speculation additional to scripture. "
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  Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

  by IWant2Know in

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  i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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  Phizzy

  Interpretation of Scripture, in a scholarly or even adult way, is an expertise entirely lacking in the J.W org.

  Hence all of their unique Doctrines are false, using just the Bible to prove them so.