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  Scriptures they use to justify disfellowshipping

  by Lynnie in

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  2. beliefs

  does someone have a list of the scriptures the jw's use to justify shunning and disfellowshipping?

  i know there are only a few..

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  Phizzy

  Anna-Marina said " Proper context - it helps."

  That of course, is what the JW Org never does, it takes out of what was a personal Letter to one Congregation some words, and says they apply to all. It ignores the 1st century context of the N.T. It often ignores what the surrounding verses show the Writer actually meant, and so on. They do not like "Context".

  The way to read and understand the Bible properly is to understand completely the Context, taking in to consideration the above mentioned points, and a number more.

  They do not read the Scriptures with understanding, and do, undoubtedly twist the original Writer's meaning.

  The other Scripture they love to use comes from one of the Letters of John, Chapter and verse escapes me, they love to use it in cases they label as "Apostasy", but the verses in question merely say that someone who has denied that Jesus is the Son of God counts as such, few people who leave J.W's claim that, at least in their early years of leaving. Again, misuse of Scripture.
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  Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. bible

  it is a challenge next sunday for them .

  due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

  this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

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  Phizzy

  Yes, that "Disgusting Thing" the United Nations, which for many years they were an integral part of as an N.G.O.

  Strange that.

  And as an N.G.O. they promised to support all its aims, strange that isn't it ? Once this became general knowledge, because the U.K Newspaper The Guardian exposed it, they resigned as an N.G O.

  Strange that.

  When challenged about it, they said they only joined to gain access to the U.N Library.

  Strange that...... because a letter from the U.N itself, readily available on line, says they did not need to be an N.G.O to gain a Library Card.

  Strange that.
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  Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

  https://docdro.id/axa555i.

  petra!.

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  Phizzy

  Google Translate provided this from the Article that TheWonderofYou posted above : "Can a religious community secure its continued existence even if there is no end of the world dated by it? The judges of the Federal Constitutional Court asked twenty years ago about Jehovah's Witnesses and their application to become a public law corporation. In its ruling of December 19, 2000, the Second Senate considered the risk for Jehovah's Witnesses to lose their followers in the event of a wrong prediction of the end of the world and thus not being able to meet the criterion of "guarantee of duration", which is important for public recognition: "As a result Disappointed members could be forced to leave, which could endanger the continued existence of the religious community. "

  Christian Geyer-Hindemith

  Christian Geyer-Hindemith

  Editor in the feature section.

  F.A.Z.

  According to the judges, the risk is calculable. As the history of this religious community shows, its membership remains unaffected by false forecasts. All in all, no shrinkage has occurred, even though these eschatologically fixed Bible researchers, grouped around the journals "The Watchtower" and "Awake!", Have failed several times."
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  Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

  https://docdro.id/axa555i.

  petra!.

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  Phizzy

  As I see this now, having read the full Judgement in English Translation, this Ruling does not make it any easier for a JW to leave the Org unscathed and with Honour.

  It may make it slightly more difficult for the charge of Apostasy to be laid at your door, if you have been careful not to make statements that are definitely Apostate in nature. But, even though the Ruling clearly establishes you have the Human Right to Freedom of Thought and Conscience, the Judicial Committee are still free to institute your Disassociation by simply announcing you are " No longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

  Then the effect on the individual, as we know is the same as being DF'd, but the actual Ostracism following from that would be difficult to challenge in Court, as the usual Defence of the JW Org that they cannot control what JW family decide to do, it is their free choice, may possibly still stand up.

  Am I correct ? It would be possible to claim in Court that you still considered yourself a Jehovah's Witness, but would be a difficult thing to get a favourable Judgement on if you had in reality disassociated.

  The most helpful thing for any wanting to simply fade away, that comes from this Judgement, is that the Truth of all the things that the JW Org claims were defamatory, 13 in all (?), has been established, in Court, your JW friends and family cannot claim they are not true, even less can they claim that they are " Apostate lies". So, the Judgement is helpful.
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  Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

  https://docdro.id/axa555i.

  petra!.

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  Phizzy

  " I wish this press release / article could be spread around the world and taken up by other media outlets."

  The more of us that do this the better, it will show there is huge Public Interest.

  Send to Agencies like Reuters, and to the Religious Affairs staff at popular and reputable newspapers, it may go against the grain to deal with The Daily Rag or whatever, but that is more likely to be read by JW's, the more Reputable papers are likely to be read by professionals. Get ACTIVE Folks, on Social media too !

  When writing to such places, attach the Media Release Link, or better still the PDF, in the first Post on this Thread.
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  Scriptures they use to justify disfellowshipping

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does someone have a list of the scriptures the jw's use to justify shunning and disfellowshipping?

  i know there are only a few..

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  Phizzy

  " I don't believe that most governments are sufficiently aware that a JW cannot change churches without losing their family. I think the Russians understand it."

  Have a look at the Thread from Atlantis/Petra on the latest Court Ruling in Switzerland ,It is huge ! and will spread to Germany and Austria, and then ,who knows where, read the Thread, it is exciting !
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  Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

  https://docdro.id/axa555i.

  petra!.

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  Phizzy

  I have just speed read the Doc. Amazing !!! It says that now Austria and Germany will have to review how they view the JW org. And it deals admirably with the problem of the Disfellowshipping practice, but also with the matter of Blood Transfusions !

  On DFing , it makes the point that has not been made in Court so plainly before, that it goes against the Human Rights enshrined in Law for the benefit of you, I and DF'd people.

  I think this is HUGE and "has legs" !
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  Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

  https://docdro.id/axa555i.

  petra!.

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  Phizzy

  Huge thanks Petra ! and a "virtual" Hug !

  This is example of where the Org. would have been well advised to leave well alone, and let the matter slide in to obscurity, now it will make News in the Main Stream Media and Social Media I hope ! Do your bit ! Share !

  I posited the idea on another Thread that the In House Lawyers advising the Org. are probably not very good, that probably they have grown up in the org, and not really had much experience in fighting Cases for clients in the real World. Anybody know the background of one or more of these shadowy folk ?

  The Lawyers engaged in Switzerland may have warned that the likelihood of losing was high, but the Org ploughed on anyway. Case after Case seems to be going where it should these days, against them !
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  Latest move by Kingdom Hall Trust in U.K current J.W Elders BEWARE!

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest instructions from the kingdom hall trust here in the u.k are very revealing, and current j.w elders need to beware !

  i will get to that in a minute.

  maybe in the usa and other countries too ?.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks Corney, if I remember correctly, you have some expertise in matters Legal ? I am just a Layman.

  This is re-assuring, as it looked to me as though the Borg might successfully put all Financial risk on to the Body of Elders, which would mean that rightful Compensation would be considerably reduced.

  As to the comment above about the Lawyers etc being in charge, yes, this is true , they have " In House" people for this sort of thing, but having seen the failure of such people in a number of Cases to get the result the Borg wanted, I wonder if most, if not all, of such folk have grown up in the Borg, and don't have a great experience in Practice away from the Borg, and are blinded by belief that Jehovah is guiding and blessing what they do.

  The latest Court Failure was in Switzerland, full info. this morning on Petra/Atlantis Thread. Fun to read !
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  Latest move by Kingdom Hall Trust in U.K current J.W Elders BEWARE!

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest instructions from the kingdom hall trust here in the u.k are very revealing, and current j.w elders need to beware !

  i will get to that in a minute.

  maybe in the usa and other countries too ?.

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  Phizzy

  No, Truthy, the point of the Clause in my post is that KHT has NO responsibility for overseeing or administering the safeguarding of Children, all responsibility falls upon the local Body of Elders. That is why I Posted. Elders, or the Body of Elders may be Sued, and will get no help financially from the KHT, which will say, " Sorry brothers, if we help you out with this, we will be admitting liability, and you took that liability upon yourselves, please see Clause 12, Goodbye".

  On your second point, of course pressure will be put upon Congregations to donate much as they did before, or do better if they were a bit behind neighbouring Congregations, but all the Elders can do in that case is give a " Local needs " Talk or similar, and who listens to those, and if they do listen who acts upon them ? and how will the Elders ever know what individual JW's are donating, or not donating ?