Posts by Phizzy

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''Faith in Action'' video....Jesus Disciples depicted with ''field service bags'' and preaching with ''Scrolls''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

here is a screenshot from a video on jw.org.

go to videos, our organization, history .

jehovah's witnesses—faith in action, part 1: out of darkness.

Phizzy

" Do not carry a money bag, a food pouch, or sandals" . says the Gospel of Luke.

Oh dear, those Christians in the JW Org pic. would have been in the backroom in front of a J.C. for "Brazenly" going against the instructions of Jesus ! Ha Ha !

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Letter read cong is now an association

by Yomama in

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what does that mean?.

Phizzy

I think we probably need the erudite Poster Corney, or someone similarly educated in Matters Legal to explain, but I would think, as usual, it is about the $$$.

This may well be used to try to legally sever the link between the individual Congregations and JW Org, so that in any legal action against a Congregation JW Org would not have to pay out, all liability would fall entirely upon the Congregation, and probably be borne by the Elders.

Watch out Elders ! you could lose your life savings and your home !

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As of Today 20/11/2020 on the official website... National Redress Scheme.

by smiddy3 in

the following institutions named in the royal commission and/or an application have not yet joined or signified their intent to join the scheme:.

jehovah’s witnesses .

among others i have not named as i`m only concerned about the jw`s on this forum .

Phizzy

I remember their excuse being they did not feel it applied to them as an Organisation. I hope it is forcibly shown to them that if they do not voluntarily compensate victims to a higher level than the redress Scheme would, then the State will take action to make sure the JW Org pays up some other way.

The whole thing springs from the fact that they never felt "it applied to them as a an Organisation" to do the Morally Right thing and protect the vulnerable, and if that failed, to Report straight away to the Authorities.

They are an Organisation lacking Morals and basic human empathy and compassion.

They only care about $$$.

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''Faith in Action'' video....Jesus Disciples depicted with ''field service bags'' and preaching with ''Scrolls''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

here is a screenshot from a video on jw.org.

go to videos, our organization, history .

jehovah's witnesses—faith in action, part 1: out of darkness.

Phizzy

The funny bit about the illustration of them going D to D with Scrolls is that very little, in fact only just possibly part of the Gospel of Mark was written before the Temple Destruction in 70 C.E, so they would only have had scrolls of the Hebrew Bible, calling on ordinary folk who were illiterate, so why carry them ? and what relevance did they have to the Good News about Jesus and the Kingdom ? They had no written Gospels about what Jesus supposedly said and did. Unless they carried copies of the Letters of Paul, but the genuine ones were actual letters to actual Congregations, not something that would convince the Public at the time, " Oh, our mate says in this Letter.......". About as powerful as " Bloke down the Pub said...". And Paul does not say much about Jesus actual life or words and teaching does he ?

After 70 C.E what were they going to say as they went D to D ? Oh sorry, all our expectations of Christ's return seem to be dashed ?

It is all so farcical, and anachronistic. Any Preachers about Jesus would have had rivals too, a number of groups started after his death, with very different ideas and teachings about him. Paul's movement was just one of them.

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We in the UK are dealing with COVID all wrong

by LoveUniHateExams in

yeah, so boris johnson has plunged the whole of the uk back into a second lockdown.

kids are still going to school (thank goodness!

) but this second lockdown is ruining the economy and killing small businesses.. the first lockdown was forgivable because, at the time, nobody knew what we were dealing with.. but now, we know more and more about covid-19.. it is lethal to elderly people (the average age of deaths with covid in the uk is 82 years - the average age of deaths without covid in the uk is 81 years).. it is also lethal to obese people and people with diabetes.. i'd imagine hiv+ people are another vulnerable group.. but to everyone else, catching covid is fairly similar to catching the flu.

Phizzy

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Bible numbers

by road to nowhere in

todays wt mentions the million man army.

against half a million israelite men.

the logistics do not add up .

Phizzy

"Bible Numbers" are really suspect, and should be viewed with deep suspicion. Notice the times the number 70 comes up ? Literary device, the writers loved that number, it bears no relation to historical fact.

Multiples of 7 or 70 are used, 490 years for example, again, a literary device

Of course the symbolic numbers have no meaning in reality, and the numbers for Israelites and others given in various situations are made up too, as is the whole History of the Jews in the Bible, with the exception of a bit of accuracy in the Book of Kings, but only some of it.

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We in the UK are dealing with COVID all wrong

by LoveUniHateExams in

yeah, so boris johnson has plunged the whole of the uk back into a second lockdown.

kids are still going to school (thank goodness!

) but this second lockdown is ruining the economy and killing small businesses.. the first lockdown was forgivable because, at the time, nobody knew what we were dealing with.. but now, we know more and more about covid-19.. it is lethal to elderly people (the average age of deaths with covid in the uk is 82 years - the average age of deaths without covid in the uk is 81 years).. it is also lethal to obese people and people with diabetes.. i'd imagine hiv+ people are another vulnerable group.. but to everyone else, catching covid is fairly similar to catching the flu.

Phizzy

LUHE said : "What should have happened is the UK should have followed other competent governments in quarantining, testing, tracing" < THIS !!

Johnson in this time of Covid has NEVER followed the Science. Whitty and Valence the two "experts" he puts on a podium from time to time only repeated what they were told to say, they did not present the known Science, even advocating Herd Immunity at one point.

The Science that WAS known from the early 20th Century experience was that in Plague conditions, what LUHE says in the quote above worked, without a vaccine. When such measures were not put in place, or were relaxed, the disease rampaged again.

This was pointed out by a good number of people on Social Media, very early, before our fist lock down. The scandal of throwing Tax payers money at people and companies not equipped to deliver is what has got us to where we are today.

This Government ,under Johnson, has so far done nothing right.

Our Economy is about to take another huge hit because of Brexit. Next year does not look good, even when the vaccines have been administered.

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Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

by JWTom in

this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

Phizzy

For Centuries what kept our Jewish friends going was Prayer , and the idea expressed within their prayers, and actually expressed, after meals if I remember correctly, " Next year, in Jerusalem".

I guess a similar long term view will keep the old stalwart JW's going for a while. But the younger ones who have never really bought in to all of the nonsense will continue to drift away, I think too that there will be a general idea across the World that we should not go back entirely to what we used to call "normal", and some kind of reset may have to occur within the JW Org to go along with the Zeitgeist.

It is obvious that a 19th Century Apocalyptic Religion is well passed its sell by date, so they are going to have to use new Marketing of some sort, or die quickly as an Org. They have tried the re-branding, the On-line Web based stuff, the Carts etc and they did not improve the gaining of Converts, so something else will have to be tried. Crying Wolf for 150 years is looking increasingly very silly.

There is speculation that they may try a reset of Date to 2034, to keep the fear of "The End" going, that will only buy them a little over a decade, so will be the final time for such a move. I would think their advisors would warn them off from such a short sighted move.

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