Posts by Phizzy

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Predictions of The Org in one year.

by Overrated in

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i predict that in a year kingdumb halls will be replaced by zoom.

they will still have assembly halls but will charge a heavy entry fee.

baptisms will continue to be so low that would not be worth counting.

Phizzy

The Cult is without doubt moribund. But that gradual dying off will take some time, as their Business Method is so lucrative, it will be a long time before they finally run out of cash.

I can foresee that they will go more on line, eventually. I think they will bring back the usual crap, door knocking, Meetings at the K.H etc to reassure the R&F that all is well.

But they will go on-line almost totally in a fairly short time thereafter, in order to sell more K.Halls and Assembly Halls, and to shed the Third World type places that contribute nothing, and actually cost them money. Anywhere that becomes Internet connected they will still keep on.

If this means shedding millions of members, they do not care, as long as the remaining members still contribute.

Remember, this lot, JW Org, are all about the $$$.

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Chelmsford and Mill Hill

by stan livedeath in

whats the latest news on this ?

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been quiet lately..

Phizzy

Yes George, typical JW Org M.O. Use you for no cost as long as they can, as soon as that changes, throw you on the mercy of charity from other JW's. At no cost to the Org.

They did this for many a long year with D.O's ,C.O's and all the other " Full Time" folks, so no change there.

Many years ago, maybe even two decades, when London properties were going up and up in value, I suggested a move similar to the Chelmsford one to a group of Elders, they just nodded and didn't really see the point of what I was saying. Which was, sell on a rising market. They have left it so long that here in the U.K when Brexit really begins to bite from Jan. 1st property prices, especially Commercial property, but even Development too, will fall dramatically, they will sell for far less than even when I proposed it !

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Goodbye yhwh-Goodbye jesus

by fulltimestudent in

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interesting report in a oxford university blog - the world is becoming less religious, (hurray!!!).

quote: "an analysis of religious trends from 1981 to 2007 in 49 countries containing 60% of the world’s population did not find a global resurgence of religion—most high-income countries were becoming less religious—however, it did show that in 33 of the 49 countries studied, people had become more religious (norris and inglehart, 2011).

but since 2007, things have changed with surprising speed.

Phizzy

Just because we are the product of chance and Natural Selection, that does not mean that we are unable to make ethical and moral choices, or that we should not do so.

A lot of good, ethical and moral choices are made in Nature, by what some still like to think of as " lesser " species, co-operation and altruistic works are seen.

If we have evolved the intelligence to work out what does the most good and the least harm, we should make those choices, not anything that comes short of that.

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What went WRONG with the Great Pyramid teachings of Isaac Newton, Piazzi Smyth, Pastor C.T. Russel

by Terry in

pyramidology .

of isaac newton, piazzi smyth, pastor c.t.

russell:)what went wrong?let’s keep our investigation simple!where and how was the obsession with the great pyramid begun?

Phizzy

Thanks for the info. Terry. Several things in your Post I had not actually registered before, although I had read about them.

It is evident that C.T. Russell was a terrible plagiarist, rather than an original thinker, when looking at this matter a decade or so ago I read in my edition of Studies in the Scriptures a Letter that Russell had reproduced from Piazzi-Smythe commenting on Russell's Book. If you read that Letter with an open mind, rather than praising Russells conclusions, Piazzi-Smythe merely is polite enough to acknowledge the Book.

Also, Piazzi-Smythe was not a great, reliable academic to seek praise from !

Also, when reliable measurements were actually made of the Great Pyramid, they differed from the ones Russell was using ! So all his Charts and calculations were rubbish as you say, "Pyramid Inch" or not.

How strange that the JW's still accept, and in fact make as their foundation for all teaching, and indeed their Orgs very existence, the 1914 nonsense that Russell also devised, with very little adjustment. Russell also plagiarized this idea too, from William Miller and later Adventists, yet without it, JW's would not be.

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Goodbye yhwh-Goodbye jesus

by fulltimestudent in

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interesting report in a oxford university blog - the world is becoming less religious, (hurray!!!).

quote: "an analysis of religious trends from 1981 to 2007 in 49 countries containing 60% of the world’s population did not find a global resurgence of religion—most high-income countries were becoming less religious—however, it did show that in 33 of the 49 countries studied, people had become more religious (norris and inglehart, 2011).

but since 2007, things have changed with surprising speed.

Phizzy

For a good number of years here in the U.K I have met people who not only do not define themselves as " religious" but also find those that do wear their faith on their sleeve to be somewhat peculiar.

And yet, many of these same people do not identify as Atheist, most like to come across as a sort of Agnostic: " Well. I would like to think there is something Greater than us", and similar thoughts are expressed.

This does mean though that organised religion is shrinking, attendance at Church, Chapel and kingdom Hall etc has been low for many years here, and is still on the decline. Few who do not attend donate the needed cash.

The decline of the Church of England as measured by numbers actually attending , and apparently those number are falsely inflated somewhat, means that the pressure to remove the 26 Bishops from the House of Lords, who are there by "right", will mount, and hopefully then lead to the establishment of a proper Upper House. One that is Democratically Elected and has actual power to influence Laws and the direction the Government is going.

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ExElder Friend Had To Go To His Former Kingdom Hall and this what he told me!

by minimus in

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he was the secretary before he resigned years ago.

he has a business that kept him involved with the kingdom hall.

the hall was sold to another church.

Phizzy

WOW ! I hope he gets hold, legally, of that stuff and does what should be done with it !

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European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) dismissed numerous JW tax cases against Armenia

by Corney in

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by three decisions handed down over the last year, the strasbourg court has declared 12 complaints, all named "christian religious organization of jehovah's witnesses against armenia", inadmissible.

the cases concerned imposition of value-added tax (vat) on imported literature - on 67 shipments received between 2007 and 2015, to be exact.

in short, the organization claimed that, first, the shipments should be tax-free pursuant to article 12 of the freedom of conscience act ("monetary and other gifts received by religious organisations, as well as income received from citizens shall not be subject to taxation"); secondly, the customs authorities arbitrarily determined the customs value of the imports based on, for example, the prices the bible society of armenia (affiliated with the dominant armenian apostolic church) sold imported religious literature.. up until march 2007, there were constant problems receiving regular shipments of religious literature, which should be tax-free but which customs arbitrarily reassessed at unpredictable higher values and then imposed a value-added tax of 20 percent.

Phizzy

Thanks Corney, that gives us an insight in to the problems with the ECHR.

As you say, it seems as though the JW Legal team mistakenly thought merely going to the European Court would solve their problem without them going through due procedure. They have made similar mistakes in other Jurisdictions, being late with filing stuff with the Court and so on. I cannot quite decide if this springs from their arrogance, or their ineptitude at matters Legal. Maybe a bit of both.

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I miss old posters!

by Biahi in

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blondie, flipper, shirley w, where are you?

did this site get too republican for you?

i just take those threads with a grain of salt..

Phizzy

I stay here mainly so as to encourage those who have recently left, if I can be of help in any way, I am always pleased to do so.

I miss the old "in-depth" stuff too, though good old boy Doug Mason provides some !

Good to hear that some of the Posters of old are still around, but as said above, it is great when people move on, many have used this place as a Half Way House, and once recovered sufficiently from the JW Cult experience, move on and leave JW Land far behind, a healthy choice !

This is a good thing for Newbies to access as Terry says above : DON'T FORGET you have a monumentally valuable archive here. Just click on your favourite names and the entire history of their topics and post is still available. ( I would add, you can search the Subject you are interested in too )

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Second Temple Period: Messiahs (Draft)

by Doug Mason in

i have been researching the second temple period (2tp) for a little while and there is more i have yet to do.. i am preparing a series of 5 studies (plus a separate list of resources) and the first study has reached its draft stage.. normally, i do not make a draft publicly available, but for several reasons i decided to do so this time.

this study deals with the messiahs prior to and during the 2tp.. as this is a draft, i will appreciate – even encourage – any feedback, especially criticisms and corrections.. messiahs (draft): https://jwstudies.com/2tp_messiahs.pdf.

resources (draft): https://jwstudies.com/2tp_resources.pdf.

Phizzy

Thanks Doug, I will read later, and only comment if necessary, but I must say, your research has been an astounding eye-opener to me, and given me a much broader appreciation of the evolution of the idea of a Messiah, and therefore of the frailty of Christian Doctrine on the matter. Thanks you very much.

Your links to your Sources also provide many hours of further reading for me !

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The Importance of Language

by LoveUniHateExams in

language is obviously a very important thing.

obviously, language is essential in conveying ideas - without it, we'd be screwed.. but it goes beyond that in terms of its importance.. first, it's a good idea to use accurate language, especially when talking about important things or discussing difficult topics.. second, we should be free to use the words we want to use.

unfortunately, there is an attempt by certain people to control what words we can and cannot say.

Phizzy

I agree broadly with what you say, but with the proviso that we should not use words that spring from Racism or Hate and are intended to hurt the person being spoken of. All Freedoms have some limits.

But there is a strong influencing group who are becoming Word Nazis and it is becoming silly. Another problem is where on-line sites use an electronic system to pick up words that are deemed offensive, these systems make mistakes, and of course cannot distinguish between using a word gratuitously and using it in an acceptable context.

You can easily end up banned from a Social Media Site for wrongly spelling the word cant for example ! Type U instead of A and you are in Social Media Prison !