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  An exchange with a JW about the blood doctrine.

  by Giles Gray in

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  2. bible

  i recently had an online exchange with an active jw about the blood issue.

  he originally wanted to talk about the potential dangers of transfusions but i pointed out that the risks of transfusions have nothing whatsoever to do with the reason that jws reject blood, and therefore i didn’t see any value in debating that topic.. not able to let it go, he then insisted that the blood mandate was a common theme throughout the bible, quoting acts 15:29.. it’s been a while since i looked into the subject, and i admit i’m now a little rusty when it comes to recalling where to find biblical quotes, but i remembered that there are passages in both the new and old testaments that, when read in the context of the time they were written, call into question the watchtower’s rendition of acts 15:29.. i offered to do some bible research and get back to the jw, suggesting that rather than letting our discussion become combative, we could have an informative and interesting exchange of ideas.

  i reassured him that i was not looking to undermine his convictions, in fact i was more than happy to be corrected if my thinking was wrong.

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  Phizzy

  " the mention of blood at Acts 15 was a reiteration of the prohibition against eating it in the Law. "

  And that destroys any argument that the Prohibition is about Transfusions. Thanks TD, couldn't be more concise.

  And if you understand and acknowledge the context of Acts 15, any JW would have to be honest and say this advice was for 1st Century Christians, where fully practicing Orthodox Jewish people, who were also Christians, had fellowship with Gentile Christians. That situation never happens today.
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  What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.

  although i was only six years of age…”.

  i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.

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  Phizzy

  Anyone under the age of say, at a minimum 18, is unlikely to REALLY be mature enough to make such a lifelong commitment to an Authoritarian Mind Control Cult, or to realise that is exactly what they are doing !
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  Ban on Independent Meetings

  by lssjr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  source - march 2021 announcements - - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5085868283920384/2021-march-147-english-german-announcements-reminders.

  this is a sobering reminder of what happened some 40 years ago when raymond franz and others were literally kicked out from the jehovah's witnesses for having pre-arranged private spiritual discussions.lesson: paragraph 7 is another example of the i and t in dr. steven hassan's bite model of the 21st century cult - information and thought control at its best!!!!

  "my gosh, there must be a lot of independent meetings these days.

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  Phizzy

  Let's hope this has the same effect upon some that it did , me included, when similar announcements, or should I say Rules, were made in the past.

  It was the September 2007 bit in the " Kingdom Ministry" which did it for me. This, I think was in the form of one of those innocuous looking Question Box sections, where they often hid away dodgy stuff, and it basically said, do NO INDEPENDENT RESEARCH !!!!! and WE WILL DO YOUR THINKING FOR YOU ! Not in all Shouty Capitals like that , but that is what it was really saying.

  And that was the proverbial Straw for me, I left for good a short while after. Nobody does my thinking for me !!!
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  What is the youngest a child has been baptised as a JW?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the youngest reference i have come across is in the 1992 watchtower (march 1st page 27) - “in the summer of 1946, i was baptized at the international convention in cleveland, ohio.

  although i was only six years of age…”.

  i would like to find more examples of this, particularly of examples in more recent times.

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  Phizzy

  They will be chucking a foetus in the pool and counting that as Baptized and a member soon.
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  Are JW's Fundamentalist Christians

  by What is Truth? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top ten signs you're a fundamentalist christian.

  10 - you vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.. .

  9 - you feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the biblical claim that we were created from dirt.. .

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  Phizzy

  Dead right JeffT !

  The Fundamentalists originally started out with the somewhat laudable idea of cutting through the crap of Centuries of modification of Scripture and of biased exegesis, and worse of that awful thing eisgesis, and getting back to what the Scriptures actually said.

  Of course, to determine what the Scriptures actually say one HAS to use exegesis, and sadly, they soon fell in to the old trap of introducing eisegesis, so the movement failed in its aim. They also fell in to the trap of trying to take the Bible as literally as they possibly felt they could, a trap the JW Org still falls in to.

  JW's show scant respect for what the Bible actually says.
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  The Bible speaks of the "Unforgivable Sin" ? What is it ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  do any jehovah`s witnesses or ex jehovah`s witnesses even know what that sin is ?.

  why is such a statement in the bible if its not identified what that sin is ?.

  were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ?

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  Phizzy

  There is no such thing as " Sin" as it is defined in the Bible, so who gives a s**t what their unforgivable sin is in reality ? it won't affect your eternal future.

  Having said that, I have never seen a satisfactory explanation of what exactly was in the Bible Writer's mind when he put this drivel down. Every attempt at exegesis on this strikes me as mere personal opinion on the part of the Exegete, who has no real reason for said opinion.
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  Share your Haysbridge, Surrey assembly hall memories

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you ever go to the haysbridge assembly hall in surrey?.

  post your experiences.

  the assembly hall i believe used to be a reformed school for boys and was completely renovated and dedicated in 1985.. it was the only assembly hall i knew of that sold souvenir pens, book marks and notepads.. .

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  Phizzy

  " I have a program for Twickenham too. July 1980 " Divine Love" District Convention with W Gooch giving the Keynote Address. Ah ... Happy days?",

  I don't think I went to that, I went to one down in Plymouth if memory serves, or was Twickers the only one in the South in 1980 ?

  Whatever, can't have been " Happy days" mate, as I have no clear memory of it !

  If the Plymouth one was 1980, I remember taking the piss out of an old boy who was behind me when we sang the Songs, he had the old " whistling dentures" so every word I sang with an "S" in it I let out a whistle, and my Mrs nearly wet herself laughing !
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  Many people did something similar !

  by Phizzy in

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  Phizzy

  I like this one too !
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  Memorial this year?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how are they handling the memorial this year?

  zoom or open kh's?

  how do they reject the wine & bread in their own home?

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  Phizzy

  I have just received my Invite this morning, simply addressed to the House, not an individual who lives here. The little typed note that accompanied the actual Invitation, which has a Poncy looking Jesus on the front, this note from an Elder, has an opening sentence that is gobbledegook ! He obviously didn't proofread what he had written!

  I did think I might e-mail him and point out this gaffe, but then I thought, nah, let it stand, they are less likely to trap someone if they send out stuff written by what appears to be either an illiterate or lazy person.
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  When was your last Kingdom Hall meeting?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i stopped going to kingdom hall meetings about nine years ago.

  i was fading for the longest time, refused to go out in field service, dropped out of the ministry school talks, no longer answered at the watchtower study, arrived at the meetings the last second, and left as soon as possible.

  i couldn't take attending the meetings any longer.

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  Phizzy

  When I left around 14 years ago, as I walked out of the K.H, I looked back and thought " I shall never enter that place again" . Well I did. Two or three times, but only for Funerals.

  I simply could not muster the strength to suffer the pain and boredom of an actual J.W meeting, the pain coming from not being able to shout out " This is all False, Deluded Nonsense !" or something similar.

  I doubt I will attend another Funeral, not that the last one was too bad, they seem to have mellowed a bit , and at least some of the content was a Eulogy to the Departed one, but I still find the experience excruciatingly painful, for the above reasons. I should really, I suppose, be able to suffer it like I do other Religion's Funeral Services, but it is different for me, a J.W one.

  I wish all the best to you poor sods who are "awake" but still have to attend !