Posts by Phizzy

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Place your bets

by Yomama in

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belgium case will watchtower appeal there shunning case.

or will they pay fine an accept defeat.

I think they have already indicated that they will appeal the Belgique Verdict. How far they are prepared to take Appeals remains to be seen, but if they wanted , they could go all the way to the European Court.

Personally I would like to see them do so, and to LOSE ! This would certainly be a great step forward in getting the Shunning done away with !

FFGhost the case in Belgium was about Shunning, not about Tax, but you are right, they normally fight all the way to try not to pay Compensation or Tax. And of course maybe a Class Action for compensation by those recently Shunned in Belgium may be possible if they lose their Case. If they are arrogant enough to take it to the European Court, and do lose, the Compensation claims will flow in from all E.U Countries, if such a claim would work.

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Not talking about Easter but shouldn't jw's be giving a public talk about the death and resurrection of Jesus this time of the year?

by nowwhat? in

after all we do know the date when this occurred unlike his birth.

isn't this the foundation of the christian faith?

and the biggest event in mankind's history?

Phizzy

The Death and Resurrection of Jesus are the fundamental, foundational teachings of Christianity. Why would you expect JW org to go in to either too much ?

JW org only pretends to be Christian for business purposes.

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Cities of Refuge

by menrov in

i was for no particular reason thinking about this topic.

i search on google if the concept of cities of refuge is also documented outside the bible.

i did not really find it.

Phizzy

Could well be just part of the Myth created when the Bible was compiled after the return from Babylon. They wrote a lot of stuff that was not Fact, the Exodus etc and made up stuff about the conquest of Israel and the extent of the Kingdom of Solomon etc, so maybe made these Cities up ?

If you have the time, you could check the real History of the named Cities, or have you done that ?

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Spiritually Weak Ones Are Bad Association according to the Governing Body

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

after you read the words of jesus in mark 2: 17, you will see that the contrast between the teachings of jesus and the governing body.. .

you clearly read what's written in the bible, but the society is always twisting and bending scriptures to their benefit.

here is stephen lett talking about ''spiritually weak'' members and twisting jesus's words teaching on sinners:.

Phizzy

The funny thing about the "Spiritually weak" label is that those people were often in my experience the ones who were , looking back, partially awake, and so had stopped faking it.

The ones judged to be "spiritually strong" were usually faking it, we had Elders, Pioneers and "strong" Publishers who I know were faking ministry time, so what kind of moral standard did those people have ? did they really believe in Jehovah ? surely if they did they would have been afraid to lie about what they did in " his service" ?

I'll admit there was the odd, zealous, 100% believer, but they were rare as Rocking Horse Poo, so the ones we were supposed to associate with were Fakers, Liars and Cheats.

No wonder I was always found among those considered " Bad Company".

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Jehovah's Witnesses are a breakaway

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

let me follow the trial.

in 1931 rutherford started jehovah's witnesses.

be before that.. bible student and they merged before 1917 with russelites and they merge with adventists, and then miller in 1844.before that be disperse into baptist and other denominations.

Phizzy

Thanks for Posting that PDF Slim, most interesting !

One quote in it from a work of 1861 interested me because of the writers use of the word " Truth" ,

"The number of those in Rochester who love the truth is small. Those comprising the little ecclesia have mostly come to the truth through much tribulation of Millerism, Marshism, Cookism and Storrism and I judge from the bad road they have travelled they have had sufficient experience to enable them to endure hardness as good soldiers and to contend earnestly for the faith."

I wondered if he was using it that way, the same way JW's and Mormons do, because already these various groups referred to their interpretations as " The Truth" ??

The conclusion of the PDF is nicely done, the writer stressed the honesty of belief of the men from the various factions, and says " they just could not agree on the details" . How similar to the various groups today who have sprung from Adventist roots ! they only vary one from another in small details.

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Jehovah's Witnesses are a breakaway

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

let me follow the trial.

in 1931 rutherford started jehovah's witnesses.

be before that.. bible student and they merged before 1917 with russelites and they merge with adventists, and then miller in 1844.before that be disperse into baptist and other denominations.

Phizzy

Rutherford took over in a Business Coup of doubtful legal force, and got away with it, by being a bully I would guess.

Many who had followed Russell, and still called themselves Bible Students left, especially after the 1925 debacle, about which Rutherford admitted " I made a bit of an ass of myself didn't I ?". ( I think he meant arse).

The followers of Rutherford were not much greater in number than the Bible Students when Rutherford strove to distance himself from them, and further from Russell, by instituting a new name.

His successor, Knorr, followed the methods of Corporate America, and drove the business model to success, via profitable printing and selling of literature, and making money from Conventions.

If Rutherford and Knorr had not been so interested in $$$ and more interested in really being a Christian Org. the JW's would probably not number many at all today.

With regard to your points in the O.P. the line you trace is more accurate and truthful than what I saw in the WT mag a few years ago where they traced back through Russell and then selected religious figures during the intervening Centuries until they got back to the 1st Century, a most spurious Line of Succession and History indeed !

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Complexity, Evolutionists Biggest Problem

by Sea Breeze in

recently, some scientists modeled one of the simplest known cells - that of a bacteria.

it took an army of 128 computers running for 10 hours to process the data required in the 25 categories of molecules that are involved in this "simple cells'" life processes.

think about that for a moment - 128 computers running for 10 hours just to compute the data, not actually do it mind you; but just to model the known processes in one of the simplest known cells, which is many orders of magnitude simpler than a human cell.

Phizzy

Complexity is no problem to people who can see and understand the Science.

The very first life on the Planet was to a degree, from this layman's point of view, somewhat complex, but I can easily appreciate that no outside influence was needed for it to develop.

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Questions I have about the "Ministry School".

by Pallbearer in

i remember that jehovah's witnesses used to have a 2-hour, 2-part mid-week meeting which included a 1-hour "ministry school" followed by a 1-hour "service meeting".

please correct me if i am wrong in any respect but to the best of my memory the ministry school was composed of 4 parts, as follows:.

part 1: an "instruction talk".

Phizzy

alanv. I think I only learned a few, but important things from, or because of, the TMS. One was how to project my voice. When I was young we met in quite a large Hall, with no Sound System !! I prevailed upon the Congregation to get one, as some just had weak voices, or no ability to project.

When we got a Sound System , I learned the proper use of microphones. So many people turn their head away from it, or are the wrong distance from it etc .The other , vital, thing I learned was, be the Master of your subject. People are always prepared to listen to someone who is the Master of their subject, and is able to tell them something they do not know. This always involved me in extra research outside of JW Literature.

Learning that though is good, if I have to speak now on anything, I do my Homework ! And people can always hear me , microphone or not !

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Are You Afraid You Might Do Something or Say Something That Is Considered Politically Incorrect?

by minimus in

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i was just reading how a guy on the net was saying he was attracted to some black women like halle berry but serena or gayle king not at all.

he was expressing his opinion.

anyway, he quickly got fired and he profusely apologized for what he said and has asked for help from the naacp and the mayor’s office to learn to do better.

Phizzy

I am too old to worry if my opinions offend someone. I am sure some of my opinions do, but the offended can go home, sulk, and then grow up, their being offended is not my problem, and I am not in the least concerned.

I have evidently offended some Muslim people on Social Media by pointing out that THEIR being offended by non Muslims not giving a shit if we offend their religious feelings is their problem, not ours, but so what ? Silly people like that can go jump.

As to being Politically Correct in other areas, again, I go where Angels fear to tread, but I try to never be rude, or attack people personally, I just show where their stance is wrong, but I do not care WHO they are, if a Gay Transvestite is wrong in what they say, I will strongly denounce what they say, but of course, not what, or who, they are. I do not care if someone is gay, a transvestite or whatever, their choice. Just used as an example.

The Free Speech we actually have, which is never the freedom to foment hate or violence, but is frequently the Right To Offend, must be treasured and protected.

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Do You Think “Normal” Is Ever Going To Happen Again?

by minimus in

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since covid, our lives have all been affected.

do you think people will ever get back to normal, pre-covid?

are masks, vaccinations and social distancing the “new normal “?.

Phizzy

Back to what we used to call " Normal" ? I hope not.

Yes, I hope we will be Covid virus free at some point, but the many things that have been highlighted by the pandemic as being so very wrong with Society I hope are noted, and acted upon, and that we do not return to what were in reality , bad old days.

The fact that front line health workers, and many more that are seen as more lowly, are in fact the most important people in Society, and should be payed accordingly. That a functioning universal Free at the Point of Access Health System is vital. Minor things, like, working from Home is possible for so many, the daily commute unnecessary.

More important things have been underlined too, like how easily lies and conspiracy theories take hold, and the truth gets ever harder to find. How Capitalism in a largely unregulated form does not work for anyone but the 1%, and the great need there is for a Universal Basic Income and for strong Unions to bring about fair wages.

We need to build a new Normal that works for the Many Not The Few.