Posts by Phizzy

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What made you walk out on the "Truth"?

by Overrated in

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i had a legal divorce from my ex wife( law of the land).

i was told not to expect to get remarried because my divorce was not legal to watchtower.. my divorce and situation seem to be a talk of gossip and even a many local needs talks.

i wanted to take some more schooling to get a better job, there was a local needs talk on higher education and it's dangers.

Phizzy

It always fascinates me with Threads on this theme, that there are SO many reasons why people leave, and again, the actual "Straw that broke the Camels back" is usually different for all who have left.

These are more often than not people who have lived the religion as they were expected to, really believed it was at least mainly " the truth" , and yet they have left, for MANY different reasons, all things that are wrong with the religion, that prove it is not " the truth".

Millions have left, yet it does not register with those still in that there is anything wrong. They are Mind Controlled, once that control is breached, they join us as Happy Ex-JW's.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Phizzy

"No need for most scholars prefer 586 BCE."

This is a brave statement which may have been broadly true a while ago, but Scholarship moves on, unlike the Poster "Scholar" who slavishly adheres to the JW Org's spurious use of Scripture and History in the main.

This Thread has been hi-jacked and has moved on from discussing how the Babylonian Tablets, VAT 4956 included, support the fourth Month of 587 BCE as the destruction of Jerusalem by King Neb.

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What made you walk out on the "Truth"?

by Overrated in

jw
friends

i had a legal divorce from my ex wife( law of the land).

i was told not to expect to get remarried because my divorce was not legal to watchtower.. my divorce and situation seem to be a talk of gossip and even a many local needs talks.

i wanted to take some more schooling to get a better job, there was a local needs talk on higher education and it's dangers.

Phizzy

Because it wasn't. Wasn't truth, any of it.

My JW parents raised me to be a Lover of Truth, I still am, so my conscience forced me to leave what I soon came to call " The Tower of Lies".

Truth is easy to find. Truth is established by Facts and Evidence that withstands any attack or scrutiny.

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Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

by joey jojo in

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-19/sa-church-of-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-proposal-rejected/100228038.

so this religion is a hoax?.

it seems just as legit as another religion i can think of..

Phizzy

Look at its origin, and it was started for a laugh, as a piss-take against "Christianity" being force fed to our kids in school. It is now recognised by some Governments and other Authorities as being as you perceptively say "as legit as another religion " that you can think of, which a man made up only a 100 years before Pastafarianism.

I would venture to say it is even more legit than all other religions, in that the motive for starting it, and for its members to continue it, is Pure !

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Phizzy

Whoever this deluded girl or guy "scholar" is, she/he is acting like a troll here. Many many times before have all the rubbish claims that come from "scholar" been refuted, but we have to go over the same stuff, because the motive is I reckon to confuse a J.W reading here in to thinking there is some substance to the arguments of the ironically self named "scholar".

There is not.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Phizzy

For detailed evidence from Assyrian and Babylonian records proving that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 B.C., see the book The Gentile Times Reconsidered.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Phizzy

Astronomical diaries

VAT 4956 fixes the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar to 568 BC by a unique set of astronomical observations, establishing his accession year in 605 BC.
BM 32312 plus the Akitu Chronicle pin the 16th year of Shamashshumukin (a Babylonian king before the Neo-Babylonian period) to 652/1 BC This, combined with business documents, Ptolemy's canon, the Akitu Chronicle and the Uruk King List combine to date Nebuchadnezzar's reign to 605/4-562/1, with his 18th (destruction of Jerusalem, Jer. 52:28-30) year in 587/6 BC

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What does the Watchtower Society's History of Prophetic Speculation Prove?

by Vanderhoven7 in

question: what does the watchtower society's history of prophetic speculation prove?.

how would you respond to this answer provided by paul coom... yesterday on quora?.

"our organization has never been a prophetic speculator.

Phizzy

The J.W orgs history of prophetic speculation shows that , in common with all of the sects of Christendom, the Org does not understand the nature of the Bible, what kind of literature it is, and therefore does not know how to read and explain it.

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More bad press for the Borg, in Australia

by shepherdless in

more bad press for the borg in australia.

this is on the webpage of the national broadcaster:.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/austraila-talks-trust-religious-figures-dropping-covid-pandemic/100202940.

Phizzy

I like the way this is a nicely balanced and fair article, it doesn't come over like a screaming Tabloid one would, and is therefore more likely to get the attention of believing JW's, and make them more uncomfortable with sticking to their beliefs, and their Organisation, neither of which they are able to defend.

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What Is Truth?

by minimus in

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friends

just because you believe something as truth, it doesn’t make it truth.

religious leaders may be admired and believed but they could be dead wrong.

politicians can spout out “facts” that support their truth yet once further evidence comes through these facts are questionable.

Phizzy

Simon's succinct Definition of " Truth" is excellent : " Truth survives the fire of intense scrutiny and critique and is both logically and factually accurate."

We have to add the caveat that "truth" is not Absolute, it is just possible that new Facts may emerge which modify, or very occasionally even overturn, what we previously thought of as "truth".

This is more so in our own time, because of the speed with which modern Science is making new discoveries.

But, if we really have subjected our "Truth" to the " fire of intense scrutiny" and that scrutiny has been carried out by Experts in the field which we are questioning, then we can be sure, if our "truth" survives this, that it will suffice at the present.

To not do this is to leave ourselves wide open to being manipulated, controlled and totally suckered by false claims, if our Education on things comes only from the MSM, and random people on the Internet, we are likely to be as ignorant and enslaved as we were as JW's by some different, but equally insidious nonsense.