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  The right to not be exposed to ideas I don’t like or agree with?

  by EdenOne in

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  ok, i would like to submit to the forum the following question: in abstract, do you think that there is a right to not being exposed to ideas that you don’t like or disagree with?

  please think it through and its implications on both ends of the spectrum.. it’s not the right to conscientious objection to do something you vehemently disagree with; it’s not about the liberty to chose which ideas you want to embrace or advocate.

  it’s something different.. given that, as exjws, we understand the importance of being exposed to different opinions in order to form our own opinion, should someone claim the right not to be exposed to opinions or ideas that they don’t like?

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  Phizzy

  I firmly believe that for people to have the Legal Right to resist being exposed to opinions etc they disagree with is to be resisted as firmly as we can !

  If people live in an "Echo Chamber" that simply confirms their view, how do they know their opinions and beliefs are correct ?

  I find it a pain in the bum when I am confronted by ideas and opinions I know to be wrong, but why should I not know the shit people are coming out with ? I find it a pain because I usually feel Duty Bound to put such people right.

  if my own opinions are correct and can be backed up with facts and evidence, why should I be worried by being confronted with nonsense ?

  I am so glad that many opinions I held, many things I thought were true, were shown to be not so by people who knew better. If I had listened to the JW Org rules, I would still be in that Echo Chamber, the J W Mental Prison.

  No, as long as it isn't Hate Speech, likely to foment violence, expose me to it as much as you like !
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  Does this look like the WT is going to be around a long time? One Watchtower @ One Awake for the public in 2022

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i keep hearing that the watchtower org is going to be around forever because of the many other religions that have been around a long time.

  but i disagree because the wt is not like other religious cults.. the watchtower's breath of life is dependent on the last days that started in 1914. .

  you can’t change 1914 without a death blow to the entire organization.. the watchtower's 2nd reason for staying alive, is it's continual urging that the life saving preaching work of warning people is the most important work ever.. but- it's very obvious to many, even the old ones that instead of speeding up the work------the work is slowing down to a drip.. comment by former believer; .

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  Phizzy

  " The test will be when they are called back to the K. Hall and asked to go door to door and out on the street. The ones I know and are close enough to speak openly don't want to do that again..."

  I am not surprised they don't want to do the knock-knocks again. Nobody liked doing that anyway, and letter writing or whatever is much less painful. But, I would have thought a lot would want to return to the K.H for the social side of things, and for gossiping etc.

  But maybe there is reluctance for this too, they can still Socialise, still Gossip, without all the faff of preparing for, travelling to, and then sitting through a boring Meeting.

  Covid may have a positive thing or two come out of it !
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  Does Anybody Here Pray To God?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i’m just curious..

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  Any Gods or Goddesses are fictional characters, to pray to them is deluded.
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  "Not Bringing Reproach on Jehovah's Name" is a Non-Sensical Excuse for Shunning

  by truth_b_known in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for whatever reason i was thinking on the topic of jehovah's witnesses' practice of disfellowshipping its members based on the concept of preventing "bringing reproach on jehovah's name".

  follow me if you will -.

  over 20 years ago a friend of mine did something rather crazy; he committed a major crime.

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  Phizzy

  This business of "reproach on Jehovah's name" as has been pointed out means that the Org equates itself with Jehovah.

  Reproach upon the Org is what they are talking about really, so it makes it really strange that they have such a poor record in making sure reproach on the Org does not happen.

  The primary example of this is the Sex Abuse Scandal. If they had only done what they should, institute immediate Reporting to all appropriate Authorities, and set up an actual working Vulnerable Persons protection Programme, as all responsible Organizations do, they could have avoided much reptoach upon the Org, and more importantly avoided much of the abuse actually happening.

  THEY STILL HAVE NOT DONE THOSE TWO THINGS !!!! WHY ??

  The other area they fall down on is their woeful lack of any real Pastoral work, so many problems become Big problems, which if they had skilled Pastors actually caring for the flock, would have been dealt with before they grew to the point where someone has to be DF'd.
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  2021-July-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2021-july-s-147-announcements and reminders.

  english and german.

  https://www.filemail.com/d/rscphytdmrtfyau.

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  Phizzy

  They are going to create a "Museum" of stuff at H.Q, and maybe other Bethel Homes ? They are asking for stuff from the early 20th Century mainly, I bet the exhibits are carefully chosen ! so much embarrassing stuff went on under Rutherford.

  They have asked for pre 1700 Bibles ? supposedly to make it look as though there is a link between the JW org and the producers of such Bibles, which there is not. Of course , once donated, they could always flog 'em off later.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses—the Most Boring People On Earth!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i see watchtower videos or interviews i can’t help but notice how bland and boring jws really are!

  they are so vanilla.

  no excitement, just robotic conversation.. what the hell happened to these people?

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  Phizzy

  I remember remarking to an Elder about 25 years or more ago, that at any one meeting 25% of the potential attendees were missing, not always the same people, but the same percentage.

  He replied " Yes, that is because the Meetings are SO boring".

  They were, in the main, even back then, now they must be so bad that if I sat through one, my brain would melt and run out of my ears.

  They must be finding it well nigh impossible in the affluent World at least, to make a convert from the Public. If people are not engaged by something, they move on to something they do find interesting.
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  Wonderful advice for those who have left !

  by Phizzy in

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  Do You Love The Country You Are In or From?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most people over the generations have taken pride in their heritage, nationality and country they are from.

  it’s not uncommon to hear of “proud” italians and proud irish people , as an example.

  are you proud of your country and your nationality or do you feel shame or indifference?.

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  Phizzy

  I love the Countryside, the open spaces, the forests, the moors, the sea shores of where I live. I was born in England, I find nothing to be proud of in my Country's History.

  I am ashamed of what it has become in recent times, it has allowed Xenophobic Racists to give vent to their nasty ideas and feelings, because the Government itself fosters these things by being Xenophobic and Racist and those in Society who would have hidden this dark side to their character, now feel O.K with giving full exposure for their feelings and beliefs.

  There are many good people here, many who feel the same shame as me, let us hope we eventually are able to get a Government that reflects our values of being Humanitarians, who are part of one Race, the Human Race, and part of a Nation that needs to co-operate with other Nations to tackle the problems the World faces.
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  Go Bag and Catastrophes

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i live with my parents in law and yesterday, my mother in-law was very nervous about an email she got from the brothers in her congregation.

  it was asking if she would be able to receive people over at our house should there be a catastrophe.

  so, she asked me if i would agree with this.

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  Phizzy

  Does anyone else think the "Go Bags" of the Governing Body are full of Cash and Pass books to bank Accounts held in the Cayman Islands or similar ?

  They KNOW that Armageddon is a Fiction, so are probably well prepared for when the brown stuff hits the fan and they have to disappear.
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  "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?

  if you have a reference that would be even better!.

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  Phizzy

  From memory the Gospel writer tells it that there was some doubt among the eye witnesses as to what Jesus actually said, so analysis seems a bit silly.

  If these words were actually spoken by Jesus, then Pistolpete's explanation makes sense.

  The Poster "waton" above points to the real nature of the Gospels, i.e Fictions to make it seem that Jesus fulfilled what the Gospel Writers perceived to be Messianic prophecies in the O.T, and which, in the main were not of course.