Hope everything is O.K. with Punkie, lovely guy. I urged him to get proper help, I hope he did, part of his therapy may be a rest from anything vaguely J.W ?
If you read this Buddy, we are here for you !
Posts by Phizzy
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5Paging punkofnice
by riblah ini've missed seeing his posts; i hope he's okay - maybe on a nice vacation (or i guess i should say holiday) and enjoying himself..
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The Spanish Inquisition.
by Lost in the fog ina friend is just after sending this to me.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zcrssl/schism_in_jehovahs_witnesses_over_secret_abuse/.
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Phizzy
This is going to spread, especially if the Org. loses in a High Court in some Country or other. And they DESERVE to lose, the Shunning Policy, and more importantly the way the Practice is carried out, goes against at least two of the U.N and European Human Rights as enshrined in Law.
The org. likes to hide behind one such Right, Freedom of Religion.
I forget where it was, but one Judge I think it was, pointed out that Freedom of Religion NEVER trumps other Human Rights.
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Trinity
by Lost in the fog inbumped into a former jw friend who since departing has joined a protestant church.. his explanation of the trinity is "think of the congregation service committee in the jw religion, the three people who locally made all of the decisions affecting the congregation.".
three people each with their own personality who individually were seen as the coordinator, the service overseer, and the secretary.
but who made decisions as a combined unit.. so on the midweek meeting it was announced that "the service committee has approved the following..." .
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Phizzy
When we try to explain things which are supposed to be in the Spiritual Realm, we humans always have to resort to anthropomorphisms and to anything from the physical world to help us with our conception, our grasp of what we are trying to talk about.
Hence we fail, through lack of language to describe that which is irrational, metaphysical, and totally unproven.
The best explanation I ever read for how to understand the Trinity Doctrine was by a Christadelphian, written about 150 years ago, I cannot find it on-line at present, my copy died with my old Laptop. Christadelphians do not subscribe to the Doctrine !
The other Thread on here, just revived, on "The Holy Spirit" is fascinating, erudite stuff, and shows the evolution of Doctrine, which is what resulted in the Trinity.
As Leolaia says in that Thread, the J.W org loves to quote Scholars who say the Trinity Doctrine is not found in the Bible, but the org. neglects to say that the roots and foundation of the Doctrine ARE in Scripture.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Phizzy
Thank you Van !
"Fisherman" offered the old False Dichotomy Fallacy, just two ways to look at 1914 according to Fish, but you have shown a Third Way, and a correct way, without painful eisegesis stretching incredulity to the limit, you cannot come up with any dates for events to happen, i.e Bible prophecy. The various Works we find in the Bible were not written with that intention, or vision, they did not look forward thousands of years, even when predicting "End Times" the writers thought they were almost upon them !
"Bible" predictions were deliberately vague, and if you analyse them just briefly, they all failed.
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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Phizzy
Myself and the Atheist side of the family celebrate Christmas as we choose, and it is wonderful, the joy the grand children demonstrate, the family being together, enjoying good food, a nice drink, and a good laugh !
I remember the old J.W argument along the lines of "you can give presents anytime" etc. yea, but that didn't happen for many, AND the Tree, the Decorations etc all make Christmas a special,(I love Big Baubles LOL), magical time, and for us, the more pagan connections it has, the better !
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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Phizzy
" Speciation is a very rare event." really ?
35 new Species have been observed to appear in the last few decades.
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Early Hominem. Neanderthals. Evolution.
by solameguy12 inso i grew up as a witness but i’m no longer active, i have some family that still practices very seriously.
but i don’t want to ask them my question.
but what does the bible and teaching’s of jw’s say about early hominids?
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Phizzy
"The out-of-context quotes and video edits are not an innocent mistake. That still leaves me dumbfounded"
I was already well out, no chance of going back, but not a long time out, when I first became aware of the totally dishonest, deliberate, out of context quotes and editing. These saddened me, as before that time I thought they may have been basically honest, but very misguided, yup, I was still very naive ! But this was blatant telling of whopping LIES by telling less than half the truth etc.
If they had "the truth" there would be no need to Lie through their teeth, no need to use loaded language, and no need to control the flow of information to the J.W Rank and File, but they always have, done all of that, and now it is in a much bigger way.
Why they fight against the Mountain of Evidence for Evolution by Natural Selection is because of their abysmally ignorant, and frankly very silly desire to take as much of the Bible as literal as they dare get away with.
Many Mainstream Christians maintain their faith, alongside an honest recognition of Scientific truths.
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Merry Christmas
by jhine ini don't think that it's too early for my annual merry christmas thread .
merry christmas everyone.
jan .
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Phizzy
MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL !
( I sound like the born-again Scrooge !).
Thanks for the Thread again Jan. Have a goodun.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Phizzy
" The Borg has no choice but to double-down on this."
Very true ! painted themselves in to a corner. This has simply got to be the decade they come up with something to replace the 1914 T.S ( total shite), but what on earth can they do ?
Whatever it is, it is bound to be equally as bad as the overlapping generation crap. It will open many more J.W eyes too.
The G.B are running out of time.
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Norway: Society hires a Law Firm
by Festus inmaybe society's own lawyers are so bad that they need to hire top notch lawyer's.. funny i thought jehoober would not need any help.. anyway here are the links.
media.
jehovas vitner mistet statsstøtten – vil saksøke staten – vårt land (vl.no).
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Phizzy
I guess the Org. have realised they were regularly getting their arses kicked in Court using their inept in-house Lawyers.
They need top notch guys for this, because it is bigger than merely losing the $$$ from the Norwegian Government. This Judgement in favour of the Government challenges their Policy of Shunning, that they cannot afford to lose a grip on, it is their CHIEF means of Control.
Admittedly, Norway is not a huge deal in the World of International Law usually, but this matter concerns Human Rights. This time the world of Law will watch with interest, analyse the arguments, and the outcome. Interesting times !