the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.
there are a lot of brits on this board.
what are your thoughts on brexit?
Trade with Europe has become so mired in difficulty that many companies in the U.K have either ceased to trade altogether, or are taking huge losses because of it.
We can Trade with the rest of the World, but transporting goods from that far is hardly helping the planet, costs are MUCH higher, unless you are buying shit. Exporting to the other side of the World does not compare with what we had either.
the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.
there are a lot of brits on this board.
what are your thoughts on brexit?
Cofty, for once I must accuse you of what Monty Python would call " Statin' the Bleedin' Obvious".
Yes, most thinking people did not like the way the E.U was going Politically, but of course now we have no way to influence or control that.
And standing aside as we did, we will still feel the adverse affects of any false political move they make, so opting out from that point of view is hardly a "Brexit benefit".
But cutting ourselves off from a huge market, with nothing viable to replace it, was pure lunacy.
putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.
it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.
there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.
I agree with the main point of the O.P but more often than not the "window washer" bit has been used to describe how absolutely bereft of training the Elders are for their pastoral Role. They are trained how to "discipline", how to protect the Org, but not how to really care for the "sheep".
I think of one case, where they were dealing with a young man, married and working, but he had got badly in to debt, the Elders pulled him in and "disciplined" him for another matter, and he walked in to the sea and drowned himself a couple of days later.
Had they been qualified as Counsellors, and were really loving Shepherds, he would more than likely be alive today.
the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.
there are a lot of brits on this board.
what are your thoughts on brexit?
"Since leaving--wages have rapidly gone up". The wage rises have nothing to do with Brexit, they are coming in to try to reduce the gap between what was earned in 2010 and now.(Tory Austerity, to keep inflation down, remember ? but inflation continued).
There is NO BENEFIT we could have from Brexit even if it had been handled in a better way. If you think there is, list them, I will demolish them.
SBF and Punkie have it right, it's a complete disaster. It was always going to be.
ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.
let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.
they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.
That might be the task of Theology, to make the whole messy mish-mash of Scripture be not contradictory, to systemise the "whole of Divine revelation", but that is basically a dishonest work, and does a disservice to the original Writers, and if you believe in god, is a bit of an insult to him.
You theologians are elevating yourselves above the god who inspired the words of Scripture.
another boring and repetitive ''watchtower study.
'' all the articles are about the ''faithful and discreet slave.''.
for whatever reason, you tolerate this for years.
When I was a kid, my mum caught me reading a James Bond Novel which I had covered with my Bible, she became suspicious because I was so devotedly reading my Bible !
When I was older I was in charge of the Attendants Rota, if someone didn't turn up for duty, I filled in, if they did, I "lovingly" assisted them by patrolling the Car Park for them etc.
Jeez, I'd been in the "religion" from birth, and for decades, I knew I wasn't missing anything of worth.
i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
"5000 manuscripts," Is bandied about, and means to mislead, NONE of those are early ! so prove nothing.
I really don't think it matters much the question "was the Name in or not", but there is a real slippery slope when people like J.W org change what the best MSS say, once you start doing that, where do you stop ? Why not write whole new N.T ? (They are some way down the road to doing that).
I think Slimboy made a good point, the Name may have been removed for devious reasons, as the Trinity Doctrine developed. But that is no justification for what J.W Org has done.
ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.
let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.
they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.
I always like to ask what would the readers of these words, the first ones, have gleaned from them ? how would they have understood them ?
That way, if you answer your own question with honesty, you do not READ BACK into Scripture later Theology and ideas that were not in the Reader's minds, nor the Writer's either.
a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.
were you more happy pimi?
are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.
"I will trade comfort for truth every time" me too, but I found when I was a believing J.W the constant, and ever building, Cognitive Dissonance meant I was uncomfortable, all the time unless well away from J.W people and stuff.
I found that discovering truth eradicated Cog. Diss, helped me find my real self, and was like drinking fresh, pure cool water, rather than the brackish sewage laden sort the J.W's are forced to drink.
Some things were hard, I remember meeting up with a lovely XJW lady shortly after I had left, and she said (I don't know how it came up) "..But we all have to die", prior to that I had never faced my mortality. But doing so made me more comfortable in the end.
There is no substitute for truth and reality, living in delusion doesn't even come second.
hi!i am doing a very long and exhaustive study of the "j" versions, based off the new study edition of the new world translation:https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
this list has about 300 sources, mostly bibles, that the jehovah's witnesses have used to "justify" their insertion of "jehovah" into the new testament.i am doing an excel spreadsheet of where to find digitized copies of these j versions and then some notes on them.. they contain some really interesting renderings, some that would make a jehovah's witness's head spin!for example, in j29:the original aramaic new testament in plain english (an american translation of the aramaic new testament), by glenn david bauscher, seventh edition, australia, 2012which you can find here:.
http://buffaloriverforge.com/peshitta/nt%20peshitta%207th%20ed%20plain%20text%20unnoted.pdfin luke 2:11 it says:.
Yes, thanks for the explanation. I realised the "J" references the Org. used were all for late stuff when I was in.
I just thought you guys had found something that DID prove the Name was in the N.T or something else perhaps.
Now I can see what you are getting at, more Org. devious deception !
I really don't think it matters one way or the other if the Name was in the N.T or not, what is important is, if you take it upon yourself to insert it willy-nilly, and other stuff too, you cannot claim to be following the oldest MSS, but that is what the Org. claim, and often leave out verses because they are not found in the oldest MSS.
They are not honest enough of course to admit to what is true, they make everything up as they go along.
