Posts by Phizzy

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A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

by r51785 in

throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

Phizzy

The 1914 Doctrine is complete and utter bollocks from start to finish, start = 607 BCE which has been totally discredited as a date for the destruction of Jerusalem, King neb. was not even ruling then ! It has been proven by several methods that are irrefutable evidence that the destruction the Org. refers to happened in 587 BCE.

The middle idea of the "Prophecy" is bollocks too, no way can you extrapolate 2520 years from Daniel 4 anyway, it is a total fantasy brain-fart idea by William Miller in the early 19th Century, a farm boy and amateur Bible interpreter.

The End, if you start from the proper year, you are in a year when nothing happened of any significance, 1934.

They are stuck with 1914, because : No 1914 = No 1919 Choosing by Jesus = Today's G.B are self-appointed Charlatans.

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The Meaning of ETC

by titch in

folks: i don't mean to be a "forum grammar policeman", but there is something that i've noticed a few times.

i've noticed that a few---not all---but some, members of the forum who use the abbreviation "ect" when they want to use the abbreviation of "etc.

" for your education today, the term "etc" is the abbreviation for the latin term "et cetera.

Phizzy

Titch, yes, that is known in the U.K as the "Greengrocer's Apostrophe", as years ago those guys put out a chalk board with lots of unnecessary Apostrophes !

Phizzy, Apprentice Pedant.

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2023 Yearly Report UNDER the Microscope

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.

branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).

number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).

Phizzy

On the matter of fudging figures, why do they say "239 Lands" ? I know they list various Territories , but these are not "Lands", there are only 195 Lands in the World.

Again, J.W Org. has its own unique, and wrong, definition of a word. It occurs to me that this is a way of fooling the R&F JW's in to thinking the label they attach to funds "spent" of Worldwide Work is actually literal, when of course, there are many places with very few J.W's, and probably some with none.

Thank you Ray for the O.P. and to all for the other comments since. This Report does nothing to convince me they are doing well in any way, unless you just look at the bald percentage increases and compare with other religious groups with no analysis, and it has done nothing to convince me that the Org. is not moribund.

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The Meaning of ETC

by titch in

folks: i don't mean to be a "forum grammar policeman", but there is something that i've noticed a few times.

i've noticed that a few---not all---but some, members of the forum who use the abbreviation "ect" when they want to use the abbreviation of "etc.

" for your education today, the term "etc" is the abbreviation for the latin term "et cetera.

Phizzy

Well thanks for the link PP. but I do not think the O.P is guilty of pedantry !

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Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

by TheScientist in

this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

Phizzy

" there are absolutely better social networks out there…"

So very true ! Long before I woke up and left, I said to a JW "I get a better welcome in so-and-so than I do in the K.H. In the place I referred to, everybody said "hello" and chatted and asked after my welfare, some in the K.H could not even be arsed to say "Good Morning".

The trouble is, you don't realise this fully until you leave.

Tinkering at the edges of the various things that are systemically wrong with J.W org, be it DFing or whatever, will not stop the steady flow of those leaving IMO.

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ex-jw-uk

by bigmac in

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i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

i've already found several by reading older posts..

Phizzy

A Happy New Year to all ! and especially to any new U.K members here !

If you are new, and wish to keep your anonymity, then just be careful not to Post too many details !

I made that mistake twice ! the last time I was surprised, because I thought I was being careful, I went for a beer with a friend, and in the bar was a lovely XJW guy I had known for years, he looked at me and said "Hello Phizzy" What the ? Apparently I had Posted this funny tale on here, and he recognised the details !

Welcome to all U.K Newbies !

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My decision.

by MissDaSilva in

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i’ve decided to disassociate from the jw organisation.

i cannot be part of a community that blatantly rejects the sacrifice of jesus in that demonic memorial ritual.

amazing what information you find when you start researching.. i’m writing my letter and posting it to the kingdom hall this morning.

Phizzy

Agreed ThomasMore, when I left all those years ago, having been from a well known family of Special Pioneers, Elders etc. etc, and having myself been well known in my Circuit and beyond, with a reputation for lots of Field Service, and being the very best of meeting attenders, it was a shock to many.

The time they spent, and the mental gymnastics they went through to find a reason, was a delight and a real laugh to see !

As there was no "sin", they eventually came up with the rumour that I had left to start my own religion ! When I heard that, I laughed and said "What a great idea ! There's $$$ in that ! ".

Of course, they could not admit to themselves that the reason was I had discovered that it was not "the truth", and worse, that it was founded upon, and maintained by lies.

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My grandmother called my mother

by Anony Mous in

so, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.

if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.

so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.

Phizzy

I have to point out that though that callous attitude is general among J.W's,i.e. forget those who no longer attend etc. that there are exceptions in individuals, and some Congregations are quite good at care of the Elderly, but I am sure that what I am referring to is rare.

I see more true "Love among yourselves" in many other denominations, and even in some secular/ non-religious Orgs. I am amazed at how much these people do, very altruistic and really caring.

J.W's as an Org. stand condemned by Scripture, by the very words of Jesus , as not being his followers.

I hope Grandma gets all the help and support needed Anony Mouse, but what a scandal that the local J.W's do nothing !

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My decision.

by MissDaSilva in

jw
friends

i’ve decided to disassociate from the jw organisation.

i cannot be part of a community that blatantly rejects the sacrifice of jesus in that demonic memorial ritual.

amazing what information you find when you start researching.. i’m writing my letter and posting it to the kingdom hall this morning.

Phizzy

You and Top Rat have gone off Topic Jan, but I would like to see the conversation continued on its own Thread !

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Ban on Independent Meetings

by lssjr in

source - march 2021 announcements - - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5085868283920384/2021-march-147-english-german-announcements-reminders.

this is a sobering reminder of what happened some 40 years ago when raymond franz and others were literally kicked out from the jehovah's witnesses for having pre-arranged private spiritual discussions.lesson: paragraph 7 is another example of the i and t in dr. steven hassan's bite model of the 21st century cult - information and thought control at its best!!!!

"my gosh, there must be a lot of independent meetings these days.

Phizzy

" Yeh, good job ... Governing Body. " It does seem that this particular iteration of the G,B is particularly inept at handling anything at all, worse than ever, and previous G.B's were terrible at it !

Every move they make now has the effect of doing more damage to the Org.

Long may they continue to blunder on in this manner !