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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

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  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  Phizzy

  " the elders don’t want to do much either, they would rather delegate to others" It was ever thus, but who do they delegate to now ?
  
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  2024 Addendum to Shepherd The Flock Book-and February S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

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  2024-01 addendum to shepherd book.. 2024-02-s-147-february announcements and reminders.. .

  zipped folder.. .

  https://www.filemail.com/d/mcrweztlglnoheb .

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  Phizzy

  Many thanks Gramps !

  An interesting read these, I was struck by a couple of things, one was Donations should not be accepted at the Homeowners door, I guess this is because in many Countries Collectors for Charities are regulated by Law, I notice here in the U.K they all wear a Lanyard with their Pic, and details on, I'm not sure if that is a Legal requirement, but the Org. doesn't want to be accused that their Rep. took money and then trousered it !

  The other thing is the retention of Records, some good news here for the "Faded", any records on us are soon deleted, not so good for Reproved, Disassociated or Disfellowshipped ones, Records are still held for a while, some permanently.

  Another Arse covering thing they are doing is Shredding Records of Elders Meetings etc. quickly, and also, any Letter sent to another Congregation regarding a J.W who has moved.

  Thoughts ?
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  Murder JW Style (True Crime)

  by Tahoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a home remodeling job in england that went wildly wrong:.

  a builder who bludgeoned his client to death with a hammer in a row over her new extension has been jailed for at least 15 years for murder.. peter norgrove killed sharon gordon at her home on 20 july last year.. her daughter rhian brown said norgrove acted like a "wolf in sheep's clothing" after earning her trust at the church they attended in dudley.. wolverhampton crown court heard he led the jehovah's witness service the same night he killed mrs gordon.. he repeatedly lied to her about the work he was doing, which took 15 months instead of six weeks.. .

  "he didn't have the experience to be doing the work he was doing," miss brown said.. "he took full payment for the extension in advance, which we believe to be more than £30,000.".

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  Phizzy

  What a terrible and unforgiveable Crime, by a prominent J.W ! The tendency to "trust our brothers", as we were told to do, has caused a huge number of problems, and exacerbated the CSA problem of course.

  I was speaking with an Elder the other day, about one of his fellow Elders, a lovely guy, who always tried to employ J.W's in his business, he was ripped off by a few of these, others gave poor service to the Company, how many times have we seen this ?

  The first Elder advised the guy who ran the Company in question " Do not employ a J.W, unless they really are the best applicant for the job". Wise words.
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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

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  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  Phizzy

  This Case is not about "Charity Status" though is similar, read the Article in the link below. It is about being de-registered as an approved Body, nearly always religious, to receive direct Funding from the Government, i.e the Tax payers of Norway. A system they have there, rather anachronistic in my view.

  The interesting things about this case are two-fold, firstly though not about Charity Status as in other Countries, the issues raised by the Government's Decision may well prompt other Governments to have a long hard look at the Org.

  And secondly ,as this is a Sovereign Decision by Norway's Government, the Org. if it loses, may not be able to take the Case to the European Courts, at least, I hope so !

  https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/world/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked/
  
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  The everlasting saga of The faithful and discreet slave class.

  by MacHislopp in

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  at the 128th annual meeting of the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, on october 6 th 2012 .

  during this meeting “food at the proper time” was given and the most important, was given during a symposium of six talks by members of the governing body—brothers jackson, lösch, pierce, herd, lett, and splane— which analyzed and discussed the meaning of jesus’ words recorded at.

  " (matthew 24: 45, 46) it must be conceded, then, that at the end ot the world, at the "time of the end", during the presence of the lord, during the harvest, he would have in the earth a servant who would be faithful and wise.

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  Phizzy

  " Seems to me they have built their house on shifting sand." As always !

  The utterly stupid thing about the whole nonsense is that it is another bit of twaddle they inherited from C.T.Russell. They have distanced themselves from a good bit of the "Greater Fulfillment" of Scripture nonsense, that not only Russell but Rutherford pursued even more, Rachel's Camels being significant FFS ! but they have to stick in some measure to 1914, though they will let that actual date fade, as they did 1925, and they have to stick to the idea that they are "The Faithful and Discreet Slave", which is the most blatant case of misinterpretation of Scripture that really stands out to anyone reading the Bible with an honest eye and heart.

  The Story Jesus told is a PARABLE ! I can remember when they had a W.T Mag. or two showing that all the other Parables had a "greater fulfillment", they haven't done that again as far as I know ! But why not ? how come this ONE Parable has a greater fulfillment ?

  The combination of 1914 being wrong, and hence 1919, and the fact that the idea of an FDS is based on what is purely a Parable, means one thing, well two actually, 1) They are making it up as they go along, 2) They are Self Appointed Charlatans !
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  The Reasoning Book

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

  many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

  it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

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  Phizzy

  P.P. "W.T scholars" is an Oxymoron surely ?
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  Phizzy

  " His recent desperate attempts to plead ignorance about dating systems regarding the impossible solstice is particularly amusing. "

  That seems to be the latest JW ploy by some. It doesn't hold water. As I said above, "The Heavens do not Lie".

  I think we may well sort of half have the pleasure of seeing JW Org. doing a "backflip" on 1914 as the next Big Thing, or the one after perhaps, they simply have to, but will do their usual obfuscations, bolstered by half-truths, unattributed quotes etc. no doubt.
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks Jeffro for the link to your excellent Site ! I was looking for it a day or so ago when having a discussion with a JW elsewhere on-line about 1914, and couldn't find it at the time, not to worry I had enough in my head to do the job, thanks to you !

  I wish to thank you once more for all your work over the years, what you have presented helped me immensely to expunge all J.W teaching, and the baseless fears of Armageddon and being in the "Last Days", fears that contributed to my being Suicidally Depressed in the last year or two of my being a J.W.

  Your estimable work was , literally, a life-saver for me !

  Of course we have proof, incontrovertible, irrefutable proof, that the 607-1914 Doctrine of the Org. is FALSE. Undoubtedly the most unarguable is what we get from the Babylonian Astronomical Tablets, the "Heavens"do not lie, and establish beyond argument and doubt the true dates !

  "Scholar" therefore tells a blatant lie in the Post above where you provide your link. He strikes me as being of the same ilk as ultra Right Wing Republicans, and Right Wing Conservatives here in the U.K, deep down they know they are uttering untruths, but that is all they have, coupled with insults.

  Truth and "Scholar" are completely estranged.

  I wish to urge all J.W's and XJW's, to do the same as me, research sufficient to get rid of all fears that the org. has instilled, and become truly of a Free Mind. You have done all the hard leg-work for us !

  Heartfelt Thanks again !
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  Phizzy

  Welcome O'brien, a good Irish name, even if usually written "O'Brien", I have relatives in Ireland, most born and bred there.( Some, not most, are sadly, J.W's).

  I look forward to more contributions here, from your good self !
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  The Reasoning Book

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

  many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

  it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

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  Phizzy

  I am that old, born just after the Second Boer War, ( I jest, just after the Second World War actually), that I remember the precursor to those two Books, called "Equipped for Every Good Work", which was a heavier work than the later two, which were successively dumbed down.

  I remember being on a "Bible Study" with a young feller, when I was about 12, taken by a very young Pioneer girl 16/17, the young feller's mum had asked the local Vicar to sit in on the "Study", afterwards he attacked what the young Pio. had been "teaching" and I looked up the pertinent pages in the "Make Sure" Book for her to use, and passed it to her, she didn't have the nous to use what I gave her, and to the young feller's mum, it seemed as though we as J.W's were beaten by the Vicar. The "Study" was stopped. Looking back, that young Pio. girl, by being ill-equipped did him a favour !

  Years later, a Bro. and I were doing "Street Witnessing" in a local market, we started doing that long before the Org. advocated it, and I had a run-in with a Catholic Priest, I showed him in the "Reasoning" Book the bit about Apostolic Succession, he glanced at it, and said "I can show you quotes from many Scholars that disagree with what those Scholars say quoted in there", I was stunned, I thought what I had shown him was a clincher ! and that should have been the start of "waking me up", sadly, it was not, but it did put doubts in my mind about quotes used by the org. !

  Those Books were only of use with uneducated members of the Public.