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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

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  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

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  Phizzy

  Sea Breeze, I found this on an old Thread, confirming what you say.

  " However, according to Mr. Franz’s college transcript, his major language studies were in classical Greek (21 semester hours), not Koine Greek in which the New Testament was written. The Greek Franz studied has different grammar and syntax from that of biblical Greek.

  At that time, there was only one course in biblical Greek even offered at the University of Cincinnati.

  According to the 1911 university catalog, page 119, that course was titled: “The New Testament – A course in grammar and translation.” Although Franz did take this class, this was not a full 3-hour college credit course. This was simply a survey course of New Testament Greek. Therefore it could legitimately be said that Franz never completed not even one typical college course in New Testament Greek. The one short course he did take was in a sense, well….anti-typical; if I may use a favorite phrase of his."

  Just as one example of where Franz was probably lacking, the N.T use of the word "Logos" is very different in the Christian use of it , to that in Classical Greek. Many other Greek words in the N.T have new or more nuanced meanings, of which fact Franz may well not have been aware.
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

  answer: .

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  Phizzy

  Yes FF was obviously competent on some level, but what that level was can only be guessed at ?
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

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  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  Phizzy

  It may be more about retaining existing Contributors of $$$ than a way of of gaining more $$$.

  But getting more in $$$ flowing in remains something they will obviously have to address, and soon !
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

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  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

  answer: .

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  Phizzy

  They have subtly already done something similar Marky, not using the word "Organisation" obviously, but twisting Scripture to infer that is what the Bible Writers were referring to !
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

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  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

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  Phizzy

  Even FF had no formal training in Hebrew or Greek, he said so in Court.

  The NWT has always been a "Version", never a Translation as it claims to be, they simply have never had any properly trained or properly accredited Scholar/s involved at any point.

  Having said that, F.Franz had a fearsome Intelligence, and the Autistic person's ability to concentrate fully on his work, and he did very well, with simply using other already published Versions, and Bible Dictionaries etc. but of course, his weird beliefs coloured the final NWT, as such beliefs do to this day, in each iteration that comes out.
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  'Socky' - April 2024 broadcast

  by joey jojo in

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  watched a revision of this broadcast on youtube.

  im not sure ive ever seen a more cringe-worthy exchange than between david splane and his good buddy 'socky'.. socky told us the story that he read the book 'what has religion done for mankind?

  ' (1951) when he was 10 and he 'knew' it was the truth.

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  Phizzy

  You are correct 3rdgen, that is why the expression "The Society" was used for the org. so much, and probably still is by Old Socky !

  It is of great sadness to me that at the same age , not year , as Socky a ten year old me read the old late 1950's "Daniel" Book, but I began to question how they could suddenly change the meanings they had taught for years, and even at that age could not accept the fanciful stuff that no doubt came mainly from the pen of that strange man , Fred Franz.

  I never stopped rejecting the fanciful stuff, but my sadness comes from the fact I should have taken my questioning further, and woken up and left as a young man, instead of a middle aged one !

  All of those Interviews sound so false , contrived, and the stuff said by the interviewee so Syrupy and made up, hence insincere.
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  Quality of jw.org translation?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  someone asked the following question to an artificial intelligence (ai) website:.

  how does the most translated website ensure accuracy of translations?.

  answer: .

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  Phizzy

  Probably fairly accurate as to the quality of their normal Literature when translated.

  One problem with this is that though a literal translation of a W.T Article may be an accurate one, what was written in English was often a strange way of expressing things to the speaker of another tongue, so their Translation work is not as good as that done by Professional Translators, well versed in the language being translated in to.

  Of course it is a different matter when you look at their NWT Bible. This is a poor Bible Version in many respects, but is outright dishonest in many of its renderings, which they "bend" to support their Doctrines and Teachings, and to subtly exert "Mind Control" in some instances.

  An analysis of these problems with their NWT Version can be found, and the verses in contention, on many Threads on here.
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  Extra-Biblical Testimonies of Jesus

  by Vidqun in

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  the first video deals with pilate's report to caesar.

  factually accurate according to the gospels.

  he blames the jews.

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  Phizzy

  How is any of this truly "Extra-Biblical" ? I have not got the time to watch the Video, or the will, but from your comments there is nothing from outside of the Gospels etc. apart perhaps from the musings of the Video maker.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  Phizzy

  An ex-JW who runs a business near where I live has for many years called the Org. "The Social Club", he has long recognised that the majority of J.W's are only still in it for social reasons.

  Now they have much more personal freedom,and can question each other, and discuss their doubts, no doubt more flies will drop.

  When the G.B realises this is happening, and new converts are almost non-existent, they will HAVE to make some more moves !
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

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  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  Phizzy

  "W.T Scholars" is an Oxymoron.