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  Cedar Point Ohio 🙄🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

  by xaminewt in

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  i started doubting the organization when i was 15. i spent the next 12 years doing in-depth research involving numerous emails with bible scholars and scientists.

  i finally left the organisation 3 years ago.

  technically i was never actually a jw as i was never baptised, so i’m not being shunned.

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  Phizzy

  I rejected the Cedar Point Ohio nonsense, when I was in my late teens , in the late 1960's.

  I simply could not believe that a Bible Prophecy would be fulfilled in Rutherford and a few followers holding some small Convention, unnoticed by the World.

  Sadly I went no further, and did not question properly the 1914 thing until many decades later, I do remember my mother telling me about the Ray Franz thing, 1981 ? and saying "They are saying they do not believe in 1914 !". I recall thinking at the time, "I'm not sure I do either", but still went no further then.

  It was years later that I sat down and thought " I'll read the Book of Daniel today, as though I've never read it before, and without W.T. "Spectacles" on ", of course from then on the 1914 thing was blown out of the water, entirely, I researched some more, and shortly after walked away for good. The whole House of Cards that is their unique teachings fell down, just using the Bible,and what it REALLY said !

  I was a Lover of Truth, and could no longer associate with a "religion" which taught Lies.
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  PIMO or FIMO

  by bamse in

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  2. suggestions

  i think we need another designation.

  what about fimo for formally in mentally out when you are not removed, but do not attend meetings etc.

  then pimo can mean one who dabble with, attend some meetings, but are mentally out.

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  Phizzy

  Good idea ! I love a bit of shorthand !
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  Apostates are still public enemy number one - WATCHTOWER August 2024

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/rqyqibpnuos?si=zayoa2c-zvmj9_br.

  under the theme "help for those who are removed from the congregation" study article 35 in august 2024 wafchtower that deals with the many changes the organization introduced recenly we specifically look into paragraphs 14 and 15 that deal with the way that we now treat disfellowshipped ones, or more accurately removed ones , since this is the new term.

  and see how they still try to micromanage their members down to the finest detail and how still apostates and more accurately active apostates are public enemy number one.

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  Phizzy

  The kind of " Apostate" you describe is the one most feared by the Org.

  Because such a person does not SAY anything they can condemn, but just by leading a happy and successful, and hopefully fulfilled life, it gives the lie to all the G.B says about those who leave, without saying a word !

  The Org, will try to counter this, by actually identifying them as Apostates, using a correct definition of the word, i.e they have "Stood away from formerly held beliefs".

  We of the "Faded Class" will merely smile at their desperation, and Keep Calm and Carry On !
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  Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  good pick?

  bad pick?

  helpful to president biden?

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  Phizzy

  If the Dems. want to win they need a Candidate who is Charismatic, a Powerful Speaker and Debater, has Gravitas that will garner the respect of World Leaders, and has an Integrity not easily impugned, and can actually DO the job of POTUS.

  Harris has NONE of that !

  There are too few Weeks after the Conference for someone to achieve Victory if they are not of the calibre as above.

  But as Lage Donors and their $$$ pull all the strings, a major mistake, or rather, deliberate error, will be made, I predict.

  Such a shame, a candidate such as I describe could not just beat Trump, but ensure a Landslide for the Dems. Ain't gonna happen, I fear.
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  Has the Organization threatened to disfellowship those who state views countering those of the Slave?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  do you have quotations from watchtower literature regarding how to handle those contributing to disunity in the congregation?.

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  Phizzy

  I would suggest Van you refer to the latest iteration of the "Shepherd the Flock" Book. There you will see, IIRC, that the definition of Apostasy boils down to exactly what you say, so if not prepared to retract what was said, someone called before a J.C would be DF'd.

  This is how it was when two Elders, on two occasions, a few months apart, tried to trap me in to not affirming the "Loyalty" question, this was posed to me in several ways, in different words, but every time I was supposed to reply that I totally went along with G.B in every way. All this when they claimed to be "Shepherding" me !

  I dodged the bullet, and was not DF'd or DA'd. But one has to be nimble and on the ball when it gets to that.
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  What was covered up in your congregation??

  by karter in

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  2. scandals

  family move to remote pacific island to serve were the need is great get a mention in the year book.. however one of the (married) boys in the large family has sex with his sister while his wife is in hospital giving birth to their child.

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  all hushed up not even a word said and hes now an elder d.fing people for lesser crimes.. young couple dating leave the jws and move in togather doing drugs partying ect.. his family grandfather,uncles, dad ect are all elders.. after a few years they decide to come back to the jws and are married in the k.h a few months latter.. 1 elder questions them getting married in the k.h and is voted down by his family.. to many drunks and c.s.a to mention.. karter..

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  Phizzy

  One that I learned of about three years ago was of an Elder , who was not such at the time, maybe an M.S, when in his late teens or early 20's, he sexually abused a young sister circa 13 years old.

  This was covered up , probably by him being unbelievably (literally, I don't believe it !) "repentant" and because of the time that had passed, no thought was given to the poor victim whose life he ruined, or any care offered to her, of course. She didn't count, an Elder's reputation did.

  He still serves as an Elder, when he is an obvious danger to young girls and should be on the Sex Offenders Register !

  The Body of Elders concerned disgust me beyond words, they have no Moral Compass.
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  New instructions on not using sisters to manage KH computer ?

  by fifth.column in

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  2. beliefs

  since covid in france, especially in the countryside with lack of brothers, it was quite common that some sisters were using the computer at the back of the kingdom hall to manage zoom session.. i heard a rumor that new instructions, maybe a july letter, stated that this was reserved for male only, even unbaptised publishers, but no sister if there is at least a male available.

  that would be a steps back and disappointment for these sisters.

  last week i heard at my mom’s house how they were happy that this service was available for them, a proof that the org was moving forward.

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  Phizzy

  Misogyny and an anachronistic attitude has always pervaded Org. thinking and actions.
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  Ages of each user here?

  by ukpimo in

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  i'm interested to know the age demographics here.

  it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.

  it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.

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  Phizzy

  In my mid-70's, left for good 2008.
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  Has The "Evil Slave" Died Out?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  those of us who have deep roots into watchtower remember the shadowy whispers about "the evil slave" when we were kids.. for those that need to get up to speed: .

  the internal crisis came to its full with the occurrence of an outstanding bible-predicted event, namely, the coming of jehovah’s “messenger,” christ jesus, to jehovah’s temple for judgment in the spring of 1918, to separate the “faithful and discreet slave” class from the “evil slave” group.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks S.B great question, as someone else said. They do this a lot of course, picking which bits they say are symbolic and which bits literal.

  I spoke with an old J.W a few weeks back, and though much of my side of the conversation was showing the errors in having faith in the words of men, he maintained that he felt the J.W's had "got most of it right", I did not launch in to lots of stuff, or anything much that I could have, as I feel at this time he needs the religion, he is in his eighties, and his wife is terminally ill.

  But he DID say he could not believe the figure of 144,000 in Rev. was literal, which surprised me a bit, I just said "Yes, if that is literal why not the all that is in the verses around it ?"

  I hope to speak with him again soon, not to attack his faith in any way, but to be a support to him in his time of need, I love the old boy, he was a generous guy, and an Elder that, rarely, for an Elder, "got his hands dirty" by doing work other Elders would have assigned to someone else. Work that many did not know he did, he would tidy up a garden for one of the J.W's for example, but not many would have known of this, or the other things like that which he was accustomed to doing, he was a real Shepherd too, he did real pastoral work.

  But, if a chink is appearing with him, a lifelong J.W for over 80 years, then others must be having more questions that they do not push to the backs of their minds.
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  Interesting that the other cult-cousins are going thru nearly identical hemmoraging of members.....

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i still read on reddit.

  (though no longer post) occasionally, i'll venture over to the ex-seventh day adventist (sda) sub and catch up a bit.

  it's been a long time.

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  Phizzy

  An excellent and very encouraging Post, thanks WingCo !

  Mere numbers mean nothing, what they cannot show is the vast numbers of PIMOS there HAVE to be in all the Cults.

  Once cults start to go down in the number of true believers in their Bullshit, the downward spiral accelerates.