Posts by Phizzy

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Why Bother?

by LostintheFog1999 in

we who actually look at wt history know that they just changed 1874 to 1914 without a fanfare.

setting up the potential for changing any dates to new dates because "holy spirit" told them to do so.. which makes me ask, why do we bother to watch what they do?

i mean, we don't care having escaped their greedy little claws.

Phizzy

" JWs were consistently trounced on public forums". Of course, if any venture on to Public Forums, they are still thoroughly trounced.

I was watching one debate between a J.W. and a guy I take to be an ex-JW on "Quora", the J.W was trounced, and then went to the inevitable J.W. resort of the Ad Hominem attack, "So-and-so only Posts sophisticated things against J.W's, and never Bible Truth".

They never reply to the Post itself that trounces them, for obvious reasons, but use the Org's technique of "Shooting the Messenger". Really pathetic !

I bother to look on here frequently because I like to see what the current crafty moves of the org. are, not that they affect me much usually, as I Posted on another thread, the org's latest nasty move, about avoiding anyone that obviously disagrees with their erroneous and unscriptural teachings, may just affect me, as I meet up regularly with two J.W's who I have known all my life. I shall be interested to see.

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Remember Hour Quotas?

by blondie in

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hour quotas timeline.

back in the old days long before 1952.

“after staying in our ‘home’ for two days we decided that if we were going to meet our quota of 140 hours for the month.

Phizzy

I remember the quotas, from those early days, right through. It was not easy for me as a teenager and adult, as it had been inculcated in me by my Pioneer sister that we record our time honestly, subtracting the time spent on Coffee breaks or similar.

The hours I recorded were actually spent in the work.

Having got sight of some J.W's Reports once, I remarked to the Elder i was handing them to, that "here is a collection of Great Works of Fiction !".

He laughed and nodded in agreement, he was another honest one with his Report, but was well aware that most J.W's were NOT honest !

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The Prophetic Days in Daniel Fulfilled

by EisMe in

“this will be the final topic i post.

the structured fulfillment of prophecy has now been made undeniably clear, and after completing one final task—the letter to the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses—i will take my rest.

the truth has been presented, the timeline confirmed, and all that remains is the culmination of prophecy itself.” estephan leuese.

Phizzy

"aligns with scripture" .

It doesn't align with the Book of Daniel. Read any good Commentary on it. Also read it with care and understanding and you will see the Writer expected his actual predictions to be fulfilled shortly after the time he wrote them.

To expect a later fulfillment of predictions that have already failed is just silly.

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Verdict on the 2025 convention

by gavindlt in

final thoughts after 15 hours of the 2025 assembly.

after dedicating 15 hours to the 2025 assembly, i walked away with a heavy sense of spiritual emptiness.

the only part that managed to stir anything within me was a single video on day one titled “what does jesus see in you?”—a piece with sentimental appeal, but still surface-level at best.. .

Phizzy

Even before I woke up, I used to fall asleep, and snore !

What a Borefest those things have been , for decades !

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Verdict on the 2025 convention

by gavindlt in

final thoughts after 15 hours of the 2025 assembly.

after dedicating 15 hours to the 2025 assembly, i walked away with a heavy sense of spiritual emptiness.

the only part that managed to stir anything within me was a single video on day one titled “what does jesus see in you?”—a piece with sentimental appeal, but still surface-level at best.. .

Phizzy

Thanks gavindlt,

That is EXACTLY how I felt with the last couple or three Summer Conventions I ever attended, so after the last one I actually attended i vowed never to go to one again, that was over two decades ago, so it seems the poor quality, no real "Spiritual food", no real practical guidance on how to follow Jesus in our daily 21st Century lives, has continued since that time, and maybe got worse !

It was the same with Public Talks, given in K.H's, the outlines were dire, and contained none of the things people like you and I desired, practical spiritual guidance.

I also liked to increase my knowledge and understanding of Scripture, in an accurate way, and loved things that I had to intellectually wrestle with, difficult concepts that I could "chew on".

The Org. never has provided that it seems. The underlying reason being that they have no real Scholars in their Org. no people who really DO understand Scripture.

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Reddit thread on convention video urging cutting off contact with Faders

by LongHairGal in

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i just read this.

don’t know if anybody here has seen the video.. the intended result of this is to obviously scare ‘faders’ out of the shadows.

now, they are being threatened with loss of association with their loved ones and friends.

Phizzy

" we will make a personal decision not to associate with him for social occasions or recreation. "

We "will" make a personal decision.... ".

If it was truly a personal decision, then that would say "we may....", the fact that they have made it a command possibly in a Court could still involve Elders or the Org. itself, although this move to CALL it a personal decision is intended to remove all responsibility from the org. for such a hateful action, Shunning, being taken by an individual J.W..

I am wondering how this will affect me, as I meet up weekly with a couple of old J.W guys, one is an ex-Elder, the other is currently the Chairman of the B.O.E.

The last time I saw the first guy, he suggested we go out for a meal sometime, and I said we would.

I don't see him taking a blind bit of notice of this crap, but the second guy is a proper "Org. man" ,does it all by the Book. (The Book not being the Bible of course !)

It will be interesting to see how this works out, but I guess these guys, and my J.W family, will view it that so much time has passed since I left, decades, that none of this applies to me.

But as said above in another Post, the org. are shitting their pants at the number simply drifting away, formerly there was nothing the Org. could do about Faders who kept quiet about what they knew, and simply drifted away.

They are now trying to make that harder, good luck with that, you bastards on the G.B. I hope this comes back to bite you on the Bum !

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Unveiling the True Meaning of 666

by EisMe in

unveiling the true meaning of 666. for centuries, the number 666 and the mark of the beast have sparked widespread speculation, fear, and countless interpretations.

some believe it signifies an actual physical marking, while others see it as symbolic of spiritual allegiance.

but amidst all these theories, one question remains:.

Phizzy

Those that claim there is a "later fulfilment" are obviously unable to read the plain words of the Bible Writers and absorb and take on board what they mean.

For example, the Writer of "Revelation" makes abundantly plain that he expected his predictions to be fulfilled shortly after the time in which he wrote, within a few years.

Other Bible Writers plainly state the same, about their predictions.

How on earth can an honest person put weight on SOME words that were written, and ignore the Context and plain statements that are in front of them ?

I put such people, J.W org. being huge offenders of course, on a par with Conspiracy Theorists.

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Even after many years out, why can't you stop thinking about them.

by liam in

there is a lot of exjws who have been out 10-20-30-50 years, but for some reason, when they see a group of jehovah's witnesses, sitting by their carts, drinking coffee, scrolling through phones, laughing, something inside happens.

most can't explain it.

some say it makes their blood boil.

Phizzy

Necessarily all Ex-JW's suffer from Post Religious Traumatic Stress Disorder as one Psychologist labelled it.

Some ex-JW's suffer much less than others, some in-between, and for some it is a serious condition, causing depression and even suicidal thoughts.

Whatever is the case with you, it is necessary to treat the problem. I found for me it worked well and quickly by proving to myself that ALL of the teachings of the J.W org are false and based upon lies, many of those lies are deliberate.

I then set about eradicating ALL J.W. influence upon my personality and thinking, so that I could become the Real Me.

I even worked to get rid of silly triggers, such as the sight of someone having a Blood Transfusion.

Any traumatic elements of my J.W life, I put in to a mental Box, seal it, and put it deep in the cellar of my mind.

As a person I am now like one that has never been a J.W, yes, the memories of all the experiences are still there, but none of that has any effect upon me now.

When I see J.W's at Carts there is only the normal person's reaction, " Look at those weirdo's !", if I am walking at the time, and I know them, I will say a few words to them, but there is no problem for me with having contact with them.

By putting in a little work on myself, I am now Free, and Truly Happy.

I encourage all ex-JW's to put that work in, and to then be able to lead the best Life Possible.

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Regional convention

by sove in

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hi guys.

so this weekend the 2025 regional convention starts.

anyone who has access to the recorded versions or a streaming link?

Phizzy

I went to my last Convention in 2006, I had partially woken up then, and decided for the same reason as you Tonus , that the numb-bum and total boredom was not worth the effort, ever again.

The funny thing was, nobody noticed we were not there ! family and fellow J.W's just assumed we were, and hadn't seen us. We had not missed a convention for all our lives previously.

In 2007, I woke up fully to the the fact that J.W teaching and unique Doctrines were all false, and left for good on the 23rd March 2008. I walked out of the K.H, looked back at it knowing I would never go back, but with some regret, as I was leaving life-long friends, and my family were all in.

But I could no longer be part of a religion that taught Lies as Truth.

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Federal Investigation into JW procedures

by kenmayo1 in

https://www.investigatewest.org/investigatewest-reports/wa-law-mandating-clergy-report-child-abuse-to-be-investigated-by-trumps-justice-department-17882445.

investigatewest.

wa law mandating clergy report child abuse to be investigated by tr.... .

Phizzy

" clergy penitent privilege " does not exist in Law in the U.K, where a Criminal Act is concerned, and has not done so since the Reformation.

Even where it does, it is Morally Wrong not to Report a Crime STARAIGHT AWAY to all the appropriate Authorities and Bodies who are trained and skilled in how to deal with the situation, the Elders are NOT !