Posts by tornapart

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Hello Jehovah's Witnesses. I was in class 119 of Gilead in 2005

by AllTimeJeff in

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my picture is in the january 1, 2006 watchtower.. why am i telling you this?

consider this my small weekend contribution to the cause of real truth.

any jw who has been one for a while, or a born in, knows the regard that pioneers, elders, bethelites and missionaries have.

tornapart

They talk about 'present truths', 'new light' etc. But surely the truth is the truth and it cannot change. Only lies can be changed to fit.

If something is 'new light' now, then the 'old light' has been discarded and replaced. Yet at one time that also was 'new light'. It is all totally illogical.

We are told to 'wait on Jehovah' if something we are told to believe doesn't make sense (like the overlapping generation). But why would Jehovah allow something so ridiculous to be taught if he was 'feeding' us through his 'earthly channel'?

And something that hit me hard was Luke 21:8 "many will come on the basis of my name saying 'I am he' and 'The due time has approached'. Do not go after them"

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The prophecies on Israel actually happening, yet no religion speaks of this.....

by EndofMysteries in

i've been putting together what the bible 'really' teaches and not trying to put together what i want it to teach.

just a few interesting things which seem to flow through all of the prophet books............ first for israel had a curse if they didn't follow yahweh, deut 28:15-68 fortells what will happen.

it culminated with them being surrounded by their enemies and cut off and such ferocity that they would do cannibalism, mothers eating children and such.

tornapart

I've just finished reading 'the Fall of Jerusalem' by Josephus and all the things Jesus foretold happened. Josephus was an eyewitness to it all (even though he was not a christian). The points you make are very interesting but I'm sure I have read similar ideas to these before.

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Greetings and best wishes: Introduction of Mediator007

by mediator007 in

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i thought i should introduce myself as i have been reading your various threads.

tornapart

sent you a pm med007. :)

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Today's Watchtower

by tornapart in

at the meeting today the wt had a paragraph about certain ones breaking away from the church because the church's doctrines didn't match the bible, some were excommunicated, some imprisoned, some executed.. of course they were held up to be lovers of god, true christians... if i was to do the same thing i would be held up as an apostate.... and excommunicated...... i wish sometimes i had the same courage as those ones.....

tornapart

Yes, I twigged that connection too. I've noticed with a number of articles that seem ok on the surface till you start digging deep. Those articles on 607BCE for instance.. on the surface seemed to prove the point, it only took a little digging (which most JWs won't do) to realise it was all a whitewash and it led nowhere. It would leave most JWs convinced 607 is correct!

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Today's Watchtower

by tornapart in

at the meeting today the wt had a paragraph about certain ones breaking away from the church because the church's doctrines didn't match the bible, some were excommunicated, some imprisoned, some executed.. of course they were held up to be lovers of god, true christians... if i was to do the same thing i would be held up as an apostate.... and excommunicated...... i wish sometimes i had the same courage as those ones.....

tornapart

Wannabefree.. they just can't see it can they? It's so frustrating! All the things they say against the catholic church and they can't see it about themselves!

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Did the Global Flood of the Bible really happen? Please give evidence

by The Quiet One in

with todays public talk being about the global flood as a real event, please give any information/views that you have on this topic.

evidence either for or against is more than welcome.

thank you..

tornapart

I believe certain evidences of a major flood of some kind, myths and legends seem to indicate that it actually happened. I believe the bible account but not that it covered the whole globe. The fact that most marsupials are limited to Australia proves to me that it was limited. But mammoths caught with vegetation in their mouths encased in ice prove to me that a limited flood occurred.

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Greetings and best wishes: Introduction of Mediator007

by mediator007 in

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i thought i should introduce myself as i have been reading your various threads.

tornapart

Welcome Mediator007, I think from the way you speak that you would enjoy the jwstruggle website. It's a good place for ones who still believe the basic doctrines of JWs but have some serious misgivings over the role that the GB play over christian lives and the way it tries to take the place of Jesus himself. Like you I have read both of Ray Franz's books and he impressed me so much. In my mind he was a true christian.

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Today's Watchtower

by tornapart in

at the meeting today the wt had a paragraph about certain ones breaking away from the church because the church's doctrines didn't match the bible, some were excommunicated, some imprisoned, some executed.. of course they were held up to be lovers of god, true christians... if i was to do the same thing i would be held up as an apostate.... and excommunicated...... i wish sometimes i had the same courage as those ones.....

tornapart

At the meeting today the WT had a paragraph about certain ones breaking away from the Church because the church's doctrines didn't match the bible, some were excommunicated, some imprisoned, some executed.. of course they were held up to be lovers of God, true christians... if I was to do the same thing I would be held up as an apostate.... and excommunicated.....

I wish sometimes I had the same courage as those ones....

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Are black people more emotional than white people

by barry in

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i see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.

things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .

could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.

tornapart

I don't know about the 'black v white' differences, maybe there are. But living in England I see a big difference in the way people are, depending on where they come from. Us northern Europeans tend to be much cooler, less demonstrative and not as friendly than our southern European cousins.

Anyway, perhaps it would be more interesting to answer the question 'are women more emotional than men'....... or would this be opening a can of worms??? LOL

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Excerpts from '1984' by George Orwell--Part 1 (Warning to the impatient: DO NOT READ)

by sd-7 in

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you folks play aggressively here, and i'm starting to understand why.

but let's not waste time.

life as one of jehovah's witnesses could accurately be described as an orwellian nightmare come to life.

tornapart

Haven't read the book yet (I'm going to).. it's seriously scary! Even in my 'asleep' days I used to call the GB 'Big Brother' when I was feeling 'rebellious'. Love the bit.. 'they can make you say ANYTHING.. but they can't make you believe it'... that's hit home to me a lot just recently.

Thanks for all those quotes SD-7, that was a real good read! :)