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  Should I ''respect'' Bible and Koran believers?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  believers in the koran/islam, that's all of them, not just so called extremists, believe that i, as an unbeliever, will be the fuel for the fires of hell.

  that's nice.. they, along with all bible believers, worship a god who is, according to his written publications, a right bastard.

  i despise their god/s.. i find that i do not respect their beliefs.. i cannot help but think that when all the philosophical talking of this, that and the other is done, they're just idiots.. i, on my down days, find that i do not respect them as human beings.

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  @DD
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  Should I ''respect'' Bible and Koran believers?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  believers in the koran/islam, that's all of them, not just so called extremists, believe that i, as an unbeliever, will be the fuel for the fires of hell.

  that's nice.. they, along with all bible believers, worship a god who is, according to his written publications, a right bastard.

  i despise their god/s.. i find that i do not respect their beliefs.. i cannot help but think that when all the philosophical talking of this, that and the other is done, they're just idiots.. i, on my down days, find that i do not respect them as human beings.

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  Beliefs a person holds shapes them into that person they are. If the beliefs they hold have shaped them into a good, kind, loving person (regardless of what God they believe in, or no God at all), then I will respect their beliefs too.

  If their beliefs have turned them into a self-righteous bigot, then no, I don't respect those beliefs.
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  YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR LIES!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following examples only serve to illustrate that when you assume total control over what people are told to believe, then be prepared to be exposed and ridiculed as liars, charlatans, and offspring of vipers when your perverted teachings crumble when held up to the real bible truth!

  "now may the god of peace, who brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an everlasting covenant, our lord jesus.

  " (hebrews 13:20) "and i will conclude with them a covenant of peace; an indefinitely lasting covenant.

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  Nice reasoning Searcher. I've found that too when there are things in the bible they completely overlook. I got my husband to read a well known verse the other day. He had to read it 3 times before he 'saw' the point. The part of the verse we were indoctrinated with made the other part 'disappear'. I had to ask questions to get him to 'see' the overlooked part. Once he saw it, he went silent. (Which he does when something hits home).

  The bible is a great tool to show up WT teachings for the lies they are. Fortunately JWs hold the bible in high esteem and as the final authority. If there is an obvious contradiction the cognitive dissonance sets in. Then they have to either make a choice as to whether they believe the bible or the WT or else carry on burying the contradictions.
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  My decision to openly greet df persons in the hall

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the moment i am still going to all the meetings (for family reasons).. we have at the moment 1 df person who regularly comes (already df for 1.5 years).. when i opened him the door i always greeted him but in the hall i didn't as others could see it.. now i decided that my conscience can not bear this any longer.

  i will greet him also in the hall or when others are around.. if any elders notice it and talk to me, i tell them my conscience does not allow to not greet that person.. did any of you do that too and have some experiences?.

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  I've always done it even when fully in. If I saw them in the hall and had eye contact I would always give a warm smile and a hello if I was close enough. If I met them in the street I would too and on some occasions even stop and ask how they were. I always thought it extremely rude to ignore someone and my own conscience never allowed me to do it. No one ever pulled me up on it.
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  This Tired, Lonely Man

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this tired, lonely man has been snared, but i protest little .

  she holds me tenderly in her tightening but welcome thrall.

  i cave willingly -- oh, so willingly -- to her amatory attentions.

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  That well describes how I feel when that warm summer sun and birdsong, fresh air, green grass and wind rustling through the leaves of trees is gone.

  The clocks go back and the nights draw in and I just long to be a hedgehog! Snuggled in his nest, asleep for the long cold winter and dark nights.

  To wake up when the birds begin to sing again and life is once more vibrant.

  Keep dreaming dear Coco!
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  Can the jw organization be reformed?

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

  there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

  i don't feel like that anymore.

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  I read a lot of the articles on 'anointedjw.org' and these brothers are working towards a reform of some kind. It seems that there is some success 'from the bottom up' as LaFrancia said. There seems to be a large number of JWs waking up to the problems amiss in the organisation and are beginning to speak out.

  Will it actually work to tip the balance? I'm not sure if doctrinally it will. However I can also see problems financially. Because of the economic situation brothers just can't afford to give much anymore. If the governments decide to forgo the tax exemption it could mean trouble. If the R&F see the WTS struggling financially it could lead to a breakdown.
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  This Tired, Lonely Man

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this tired, lonely man has been snared, but i protest little .

  she holds me tenderly in her tightening but welcome thrall.

  i cave willingly -- oh, so willingly -- to her amatory attentions.

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  Coco, that sooooo sad... I can almost imagine being in that cold lonely house in the gloom...

  Now you have to imagine a warm cosy fire, a glass of ruby red wine and some soft sweet music and the tired lonely man can dream of his loved one...
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  This Tired, Lonely Man

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this tired, lonely man has been snared, but i protest little .

  she holds me tenderly in her tightening but welcome thrall.

  i cave willingly -- oh, so willingly -- to her amatory attentions.

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  Sometimes the fantasy world is a beautiful place to reside in Coco.. it trancends the harsh realities we have to live in...
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  I messed up again... Opened my mouth... oh well, we'll see where the cards end

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i hadn't talked to my friends on facebook for a while because i had been too busy on my page (now two pages) and my job, and my girlfriend.

  so i go on my fb account yesterday and i start talking to a "bible study" i had had while in mexico... after learning ttatt, i have dreamed of ways to tell him and his family to stay away from jw's, but i hadn't had the courage to do so because of a) wanting to get my family awakened first, and b) noticing the horribly bad reaction of the very few people i have actually talked to (three persons).... but anyways, i felt the need to tell him, the "bible study"... he is around 15. his mom was inactive for many years until we found her in "service" and then we started her on a study and she came back... at the time, i thought i was doing a correct thing, if i had known ttatt, no way in hell i would have done that.

  now it hurts my conscience, although to my credit, i had no idea of ttatt.. so his mom, him, his brother and sister are all in some way or another associating with jw's.. i wasn't intending to talk to him about ttatt, it just happened.... yesterday we started a conversation (a is him, b is me):.

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  Sometimes I think it HAS to be done, even if you worry that you might be dropping a bomb. I did it recently with one of my sons. After two years of keeping it secret from him. My hubby and other sons already know but this one didn't. We had some enjoyable mother/son time and the subject just came up. I told him lots of things, how I felt, my doubts, my questions, my concerns. I was worried he wouldn't understand. But he did! The conversation went better than I could have hoped.

  Though I do believe that it has to be done at the right time and in the right way. I really hope you have some success with this young lad. Just be gentle with him! Remember how it feels when your world comes crashing down....
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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  I was reading the Albert Pike letter yesterday. Hoax or not, it was scarily accurate. It was mentioned in a book in 1955 just before the height of the cold war. One would have thought if it'd been a hoax they would have been convinced WWIII would have been between the USA and the USSR.