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  For the ones who believe in Bible - What does the scriptures here imply on subjection to religious leaders? - Hebrews 13:17-19, 22-25

  by MissConfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do we really need an organization and need to be in subjection to it as god always chose leaders (abhraham, moses, jesus, apostles)?

  what are your thoughts?

  how can you reason this out?.

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  tornapart

  SFPW, it is not Unity.. it is Conformity. There's a difference. Look up Groupthink in Wikipedia. George Orwell uses it quite nicely in his novel 1984.

  And when did the 1stC christians have to put in a field service report? They never had to 'report back' to anyone, they were all over the place yet look how they accomplished it!

  Today there are over 1,000,000 christians in China without any kind of 'organisation'. They meet in 'house churches' much the same as 1stC christians did.

  Also, you have taken 1 Cor 14:33 out of context. There is nothing wrong with being organised to accomplish something. Where it becomes wrong is when IT becomes an ORGANISATION that controls people.
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  JWN site question?

  by mind blown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  question?.

  on some threads the "post reply" box is missing the section where you can post links, photos, emotcions, etc.. is this a new thing to save band width or is it a glitch?.

  i miss having the old "post reply" options....:(.

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  tornapart

  Sometimes I get the glitch and sometimes I don't... atm, it's ok...
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  Looks like Jan 2014 WT missed some dates in this paragraph...anyone want to fill in some dates the GB missed out?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  12 since the establishment of the kingdom in 1914, the king has refined the way gods servants are organized to do his fathers will.

  (read isaiah 60:17.

  ) in 1919, a service director was appointed in each congregation to take the lead in the preaching work.

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  tornapart

  DD
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  How to prove God does not exist?

  by UBM101 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many times (almost all the time) atheists asking for proof of god's existence from those who believe that god exists.

  perhaps at times they should prove he doesn't exist.

  any taker?

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  tornapart

  Quote from C S Lewis... an atheist who bacame a christian.

  " My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such a violent reaction against it?... Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if i did that, then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies. Thus, in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."
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  What are the buzz words or trigger for JWs?

  by UBM101 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i read steve hassan's book and he mentioned about buzz words or triggers that call out the cult personality of a victim of mind controlling cult.

  when you were in, what triggered you?.

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  tornapart

  Apostate..... apostate literature... apostate website.... apostate ideas... etc.

  (not so much me, I was always intrigued but I've seen it in family & friends).
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  Anyone know of any witnesses that concealed carry to meetings?

  by LogCon in

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  2. friends

  does anyone know of any witnesses, in good standing, brother or sisters, that used to conceal carry to meetings or field service?.

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  tornapart

  It's illegal to carry a knife or a gun in the UK. You can get up to 5 years in jail if you do and you're caught with one.
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  Is everyone required to be enrolled in the theocratic ministry school?

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  can a publisher "drop out" and still be in good standing?.

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  I asked a few months ago to come off... after 45 years of giving talks. It was just accepted with no questions asked and no one has said anything ever since. I'm still considered in good standing. If only they knew LOL
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  Faith in God should not be weak because of a wicked organization?!

  by Mr Fool in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i feel it strange that many here is here because of the wt organizations lies, contradictions etc (?!).

  a deep and personal belief in god should not stand or fall because of a wicked organization that manipulate people.

  i have a feeling that other christians in other organizations are more stable in their belief.

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  At the moment I've just started reading a book by Philip Yancy called Disappointment with God. Like JWs he was raised in a fundamentalist religion and for a time completely lost his faith in God becoming an atheist for 15 years. I think coming from a controlling religion it's so easy to lose faith in God too. When you start asking questions, they don't stop, one just leads to another. It's as if you have to find your own way all over again from the start.
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  How I miss the 'Truth' of my youth....

  by gingerbread in

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  2. friends

  my family moved from the city to the country.. part of the reason for the relocation was to move 'to where the need was greater'.

  i loved our new home - i was free to roam the woods and fields, enjoy the wildlife, work in our garden and feed the chickens.

  i had new friends in our new congregation.

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  Sounds rather like my childhhod/teenage years. Happy times. Many of my childhood friends are still around, some are more like family than my extended family are. It's what makes it so hard for me to leave... :(
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  For the ones who believe in Bible - What does the scriptures here imply on subjection to religious leaders? - Hebrews 13:17-19, 22-25

  by MissConfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do we really need an organization and need to be in subjection to it as god always chose leaders (abhraham, moses, jesus, apostles)?

  what are your thoughts?

  how can you reason this out?.

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  tornapart

  One JWs know well... "I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6