Posts by tornapart

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An HONEST internet debunker of Watchtower who isn't an Ex

by Terry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v8elawms60.

this fellow is unique.

he is a relatively young man who is in the adventist church.. he is smart, personable and intellectually honest.. he comes from a balanced attitude without rancor.. he is very very good at debunking the watchtower.

tornapart

He's good, I've been watching his videos for a while now, still have a few to go. He made me smile when he did the one 'False Prophet and False Teacher' (18)

He takes a quote from the reasoning book on how to answer "I'm sure you'll agree that specific evidence should back up such a serious charge. (that of being a false prophet) Did your minister mention any specific example?"

He goes on to say... "I salivate at the thought of a Jehovah's Witness saying that to me! Man! Would I love it!"

I can imagine he'd quickly tie them in knots! LOL

Great series!

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The Circuit Overseer Visit

by garyneal in

last week, the circuit overseer came to visit my wifes congregation and as usual their patterns change somewhat during this week.

from my perspective, the meetings are held on tuesday and thursday instead of the normal wednesday night during this week and they are more eager to go out in field service.

sunday came and my wife wanted us to attend the meeting.

tornapart

The NGO thing is untenable. They went into it KNOWING it was wrong. They knew they had to publicize the UN, as an NGO, which they did in the Awake mag. Then they only left it once they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and outed in the Guardian paper.

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More JW bragging about the Landover, MD. convention. Please have barf bag at the ready before reading

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

the following e-mail is circulating among jws about the international convention at fedex stadium in landover, md.

note the all-too-familiar jw claims: everything they do (including the simple act of parking cars) is proof of jehovah'stm blessing, and everything wt did at the convention was the fastest, greatest, best ever.

oh, and the never-fails-to-get-mentioned alleged 'persecution'/resistance from some unnamed authority who tried to get in watchtower's way and hamper the effort...but jws prevailed anyway (as always):.

tornapart

So God was one day late for the convention? He missed Friday and only got there for Saturday and Sunday? Even then, he arrived late.....

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just what am I supposed to believe now??

by purrpurr in

while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.

i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.

this has left a huge hole in my soul.

tornapart

Think of how it is with a child, when newborn they are almost like a blank canvas. Watching them grow and explore new things, new ideas, learning things, asking questions. They are filled with awe and wonder of the world around them.

The place you are at now, as many of us is like starting over again. Your belief system has been crushed, the house you built on WT sand has been washed away. What you choose to do now is all down to you. It's time to ask questions, even if you come to dead ends, (we can't know everything). Look at the world around you with new eyes. Dig deep inside yourself and find out how you really feel about things and not what someone else has told you that you should feel. You feel lost and empty because now you have to rely on yourself for your answers. The ones you relied on for answers have proved false. It's a devastating feeling to find out those you trusted can't be trusted anymore. Now you have to find your own way.

However, it's a time of learning, of self discovery, of real meaning. Enjoy the ride!!

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Controversial Opinion: Why the web site campaign is actually brilliant

by Apognophos in

there's a lot of talk right now about how stupid it is to have jws hand out leaflets with urls on them.

"why go to someone's door to tell them they can visit a web site that lets them ask for someone to come to their door?

" well, i'm sorry, but i have to weigh in with a contrary opinion here on how clever the society is.

tornapart

I think you could be right Apog, whenever I have anyone come to my door, either a charity or selling something I say I don't want to talk at the door but do they have a website. This gives me the option of looking at what they are all about without feeling hounded or under obligation. If I want to go further, ie make a donation to a charity or buy something I can do it without any pressure.

I think this will point people in their direction at first, whether it'll make them want to be called on is another matter but I still think it's quite an effective ploy.

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Why do witnesses believe it was Jehovah said they would be persecuted in his name

by goingthruthemotions in

why do witnesses believe it was jehovah that said they would be persecuted in his name......it was jesus that said we would be persecuted in his name.

i often hear are the meeting the interchanging of names between jehovah and jesus.

it seems like the sheeple drones at the meeting have no real clue about the bible or how to believe.

tornapart

They believe that the organisation is Jehovah.

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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

by Bart Belteshassur in

i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

tornapart

There is more proof secularly for 587BCE than there is for 539BCE so why didn't they use 587BCE as their starting point?

If their calculations were right then 1914 would be right. The fact that 100 years have passed and the generation is long dead proves it all wrong. Conjuring up an 'overlapping generation', smacks of desperation.

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Off to Edinburgh With JWFacts.com cards

by cofty in

we are going to edinburgh today to see what's going at the festival, go out for a meal and probably see a show.. i have made up some cards with the jwfacts.com logo to hand to jws on the trolleys.

there is nothing on the cards part from the logo.

ttatt is only a click away..

tornapart

Sounds like you had a great day Cofty! And congrats to you and Mrs. Cofty!

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Freaking out a Jehovah's Witness

by jgnat in

as you know, my husband has physically left the witnesses.

he nevertheless clings to many of the beliefs like a protective cloak, and every once in a while i trigger a dissonant episode where my reality clashes with his.

recently he listened in on my work research, a video of a futurist describing the a potential "disruptive change" event in the next fifteen years, as our culture shifts to autonomic (driverless) vehicles.

tornapart

I quite often say how glad I am to be living now and not a few hundred years ago. Civil wars, religious intolerance, burning of heretics, diseases from filthy living, no electricity or gas, lots of kids because of no contracptives. Fleas, ticks and cockroaches. No health care or dentists. No schools. No holidays. The list goes on.... things are definitely better now!!

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Jehovah's Witnesses - the Fourth Branch of Judaism

by truthseeker in

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everything about the jws points exclusively to jehovah, the god of the old testament.. jesus hardly gets a mention.

they can't ignore him completely but isn't it interesting that the only publication they produced about jesus, doesn't even have his name on it.

it's simply called "the greatest man who ever lived".

tornapart

I'm with you on this one truthseeker. I started a thread a couple of year ago from the same angle but only got one reply (that it's a cult) LOL

Anyway, a c&p of what I wrote:-

The more I'm waking up to TTATT the more I'm realising how much it is living in the OT rather than the NT. Jesus is side-lined by the GB, they say we are in his 'presence' yet they are the ones telling us what to do (rather than the head of the congregation, Christ). They behave like Pharisees yet can't see it (the blind leading the blind). All the time they are going on about the Israelites, prophecies in the OT, 'faithful men of old', the old Laws.. yet Jesus hardly gets a mention.. It's as if they want us to go back to the 'old' ways just like the Jewish Christians in Paul's day wanted. Where is the love and compassion and mercy Jesus taught?