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  My heart's not in it

  by What is Truth? in

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  you know how when your asked to talk about something your not interested in how annoying it is, or difficult to debate something from the opposite side of your view.

  after learning ttatt i've come to regard the nonsense the org spouts as quite evil then to have to give parts about how great it is makes me hate it that much more.. story aside, what might you say to the elders to get them to dismiss it or get off your back if you told them your heart's not in it any more?.

  not the obvious it's a stupid hypocritical cult that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth..

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  It's sad isn't it that as full grown adults who are volunteering their time to do something (like give a talk) cannot say they don't want to do it anymore without having to make up a load of stories and excuses as to why they don't. We've all been there, some have the courage to just walk away, for others it's so much harder. This is what it is to be in a cult... you have no freedom or choice like normal people do.

  Tell yourself you have the right to choose what you do and don't do in your life and that you don't owe anyone a reason or explanation. It's very freeing!
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  Amazing Kingdom Hall transformation

  by Esse quam videri in

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  so, on tues august 2/16 i happen to be driving down westminster highway in richmond, b.c.

  [a suburb of vancouver] and notice activity at the kingdom hall at shell ave. hmm, i say to myself, they must be having a 'work bee' or some such thing.

  i continue on to work.

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  Just had a look on google street view, going by your directions and it shows in July 2015 a large sign outside with 'Development variance permit application' written on it, so maybe they are just building a new KH? This happened to the one in our area, they knocked it down as it needed a lot of renovation and was too costly, so they started from scratch.
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  GB wives, what do they do all day. Are they divas, b%*$hes, or other?

  by aintenoughwiskey in

  1. watchtower
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  i was wondering what encounters others have had with the wives of bethel big shots?.

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  There's a good video on youtube on the channel of Susan Gaskin... look for 'interview with former Bethelite'. She knew GB wives and tells one or two stories.
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  ISIS Want to Clear up Why They Do Terrorism

  by cofty in

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  every time isis commit one of their atrocities, well-meaning folks mumble self-loathing apologies on behalf of "the west".

  noam chomsky and his sort lead a chorus of masochistic confessions.

  apparently everybody is to blame for islamic terrorism (according to bill nye global warming causes isis) - apart from islamic terrorists of course.

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  They say they commit terrorism because 'you are disbelievers'. if this is their reason then why are many of their targets fellow muslims? What about the atrocities they committed in Kabul and Baghdad recently? Are shiah muslims not believers in their eyes? What about the ISIS attack at Mecca, supposedly their Holy City, back in May? Also the number of lone wolf attackers such as the one in Nice, aren't even practicing muslims, doing many things condemned in the Quran. Many 'non-believers' probably live more moral lives than they do. What they have to say as to their reasons is just a cover for their violent tendencies and desire for destruction. Their real reason is that they want control and power over as many people as they can and will use any kind of fear, terror, destruction, hatred and violence to get it.
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  Recent mistakes of the Governing Body contributing to the decline of JWs

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  they have made so many strategical mistakes it's hard to keep track.

  some changes within the last decade or so that are contributing to declining numbers of jws:.

  1. elimination of book study groups, the most informal, enjoyable and sociable of the jw meetings, contributed to loss of sense of community among jws.. 2. policy of consolidating kingdom halls.

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  Elderly ones having to buy 'tablets' and not understanding how they work, those that don't, feeling left behind.

  Older COs being made redundant, and leaving them feeling exactly that!

  The big Bethelite clearout. Nothing like being kicked out on the street with no money, job or home to make you 'wake up'.

  The wacky broadcasts, that although may appeal to the die-hards, for anyone with a few doubts, it'll just add a few more.. then a few more...
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  How to Fade - The Basics!

  by The Searcher in

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  this really works.

  i've already applied the basics of this with one elder who "offered" us a shepherding visit.

  we've been totally ignored since!!!

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  It's worked well for me... my elder husband has told the other elders that I have issues and doubts but I don't want to talk about it. They've not tried anything. Maybe my husband is my 'firewall'!

  I went to the meeting the other day, first time in a couple of months and an old friend came and talked to me. She was my pioneer partner decades earlier who had moved elsewhere but was now back in the congregation for a while and she said she'd not seen me on her visits. I told her I don't go much anymore and she asked me why. I told her I had my reasons but didn't want to talk about it. She was fine with it, she thought it was sad but never said anything more about it. It really doesn't matter who wants to know the 'whys', if you don't want them to know, then don't tell them! Be firm that it is your business and not theirs.

  I've been fading for five years now and not had any problems at all. It takes patience and self-control (not spilling the beans!) but it's worth it when you can keep your family and close friends and even be on speaking terms with everyone else.
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  Racial Insensitivity

  by Coded Logic in

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  Would be good if more could happen as in Wichita Kansas where the police and the community got together
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  Things I remember growing up in the 70s

  by The Rebel in

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  i remember sitting on my daddy's lap and driving an imaginary car, i also remember sitting on my mummies lap on the front seat, without a seat belt whilst my dad drove a real car.

  i remember we bought fish and chips from the chippy wrapped in yesterday's newspapers.

  i remember bouncing up and down on my space hopper in the garden.

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  Rebel, you can't beat fish and chips wrapped in newspaper can you? Today's are not the same!

  Some of my memories...collecting as many creepy crawlies from the garden as I could and putting them all in a jar and getting bitten by a centipede. Even though I was a 'girly' girl, insects and other creatures fascinated me.

  My dad's cars (always bangers) never failed to pack up when going on a long trip and being stuck by the side of the road for hours while he (or more likely a mechanically minded friend) fixed it.

  Teasing a little boy and pinching his schoolcap (they wore them back then) and flinging it into the older children's playground so he couldn't get it. (my way of showing I liked him... I was only five) and one day his mum finding me and giving me a good ticking off. I never did it again!

  The first episodes of Corrie in B&W... I've watched it ever since! Elsie Tanner and Ena Sharples...
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  spiritual

  by stan livedeath in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read the word "spiritual" sometimes on the site.

  what exactly do the jw's mean by it ?.

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  Being 'spiritual' to a JW is really 'religiosity'... in other words sanctimoniously religious. It really has nothing to do with spirituality. If they are seen to be doing everything right according to WT then they are considered 'spiritual'. It smacks of what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for.
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  I came here three years ago for support and to make friends

  by KateWild in

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  this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.

  when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.

  so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.

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  I think it's very easy to get hurt online because all you have are words. It's easy to take offence at what people write and become oversensitive about it. What you don't have is body language, voice intonation, facial expressions, any of those things that you get in real life. If you join a forum you have to develop a thick skin. I remember over a decade ago I joined a forum and made lots of 'friends'. It was non-JW mutually interest based. I remember being in floods of tears over perceived hurts, until I realise it was stupid. Why be hurt by something, someone (whom you've never met) says? Most people you meet online are simply acquaintances, if you're lucky a handful will become good friends... as you've found.