at the meeting today the wt had a paragraph about certain ones breaking away from the church because the church's doctrines didn't match the bible, some were excommunicated, some imprisoned, some executed.. of course they were held up to be lovers of god, true christians... if i was to do the same thing i would be held up as an apostate.... and excommunicated...... i wish sometimes i had the same courage as those ones.....
At the meeting today the WT had a paragraph about certain ones breaking away from the Church because the church's doctrines didn't match the bible, some were excommunicated, some imprisoned, some executed.. of course they were held up to be lovers of God, true christians... if I was to do the same thing I would be held up as an apostate.... and excommunicated.....
I wish sometimes I had the same courage as those ones....
i see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.
things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .
could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.
I don't know about the 'black v white' differences, maybe there are. But living in England I see a big difference in the way people are, depending on where they come from. Us northern Europeans tend to be much cooler, less demonstrative and not as friendly than our southern European cousins.
Anyway, perhaps it would be more interesting to answer the question 'are women more emotional than men'....... or would this be opening a can of worms??? LOL
you folks play aggressively here, and i'm starting to understand why.
but let's not waste time.
life as one of jehovah's witnesses could accurately be described as an orwellian nightmare come to life.
Haven't read the book yet (I'm going to).. it's seriously scary! Even in my 'asleep' days I used to call the GB 'Big Brother' when I was feeling 'rebellious'. Love the bit.. 'they can make you say ANYTHING.. but they can't make you believe it'... that's hit home to me a lot just recently.
Thanks for all those quotes SD-7, that was a real good read! :)
what scriptural support is there for believing in second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy?.
this is a genuine equiry into where the idea of second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy originated.
does it have definite scriptural support or is it simply an extra-biblical religious device thought up to try to make prophecies appear relevant to the modern age?
What about all the scriptures that speak of a 'new heavens' and a 'new earth', Satan being bound for a thousand years, then coming to his end. The end of death.. these things haven't happened yet so they must be future.
i know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.
as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.
*** w75 8/15 pp.
Jesus had a beard, the angels have beards (in the WT illustrations), the Israelites had beards, the apostles had beards...CT Russell had a beard... Oh look... Rutherford didn't...
after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
Awesome! What a bombshell!!
i know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.
as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.
*** w75 8/15 pp.
We've got a bro.. an MS in our cong who has a beard and an elder from another cong gave a public talk not long ago.. but then I guess it's a bit different in europe...
ever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.
i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.
for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.
Only ones who makes the name of God known. I always thought that was a good one, it's true isn't it?
Well, it seems to me that all it's done is make the name of Jesus less known. He only ever called God 'Father'. By diminishing Jesus they've managed to insert themselves (the GB) into the place that Jesus was pushed out of. And the Organisation belongs to Jehovah. Anyone going against 'his' organisation is going against him!
first of all i am happy to be here..this site has been an invaluable tool which helped me get to the point where i am today.
i was born and raised as a jehovah's witness and i am now 30 yrs old.
my entire family are die hard witnesses; pioneers, elders, bethel etc.
Hi Free.. I'm in a similar position, family all in, husband an elder. I'm sticking with it. I'm at home right now while they are all at the meeting. I try to miss as many as I can get away with. No one can tell you what you should do, it's a very personal decision and only you know what is right for you. My only advice would be to take it slowly and carefully. Don't burn any bridges with your family until you are sure what it is you want.
education teaches you how to think.propagandists tell you what to think.true educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion.
propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.many times their true motives are hidden.
they sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.
Brilliant article.. I printed it off a while ago... just to remind myself that according to the WTS I'm doing the right thing... LOL
