Posts by tornapart

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What part of "TRUE" needs "adjustment"?

by Terry in

let us conduct a thought experiment!.

let's say you work for a huge investment firm run by a brilliant ceo who has a perfect track record for business decisions.. the ceo sends e-mails, text messages and makes phone calls from his remote island hideaway heaven island.. none of the employees ever actually see him.

they rely on his hand-picked leaders sitting in the big office on the top floor of the corporate building.. these leaders pass along the transmitted instructions as conduits.. what would ever destroy confidence in these hand-picked leaders as competent and honest brokers?

tornapart

You always hit the nail on the head Terry! Truth cannot ever be changed.

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Angry woman returns "My Book of bible stories"...Too violent for her Children? Is this true?

by Witness 007 in

my mum gave a worldly ladies kids a "bible stories" book as a gift, the woman was pleased...2 weeks later the angry woman returned the book claiming it was too violent and upsetting for her kids.

even though i was brought up on that book, looking at it now with the drownings at the flood, jesus pinned to a post, a chapter with a picture of a guy on the ground with a nail thru his temple i have to say......it is too violent and upsetting for kids...just in pictures alone!

what do you think?.

tornapart

When I was a kid we used to have the orange 'Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained'. There were a lot of pictures depicting violence in there and I used to be fascinated in a morbid kind of way. It didn't really harm me and I've grown to be a very gentle person. I think children are faced with seeing violence all the time especially on tv (like the news). My own children grew up with the My Book of Bible Stories and it hasn't harmed them either. Also this book needn't be given to very small children, my little granddaughter (being brought up as JW) has been bought a 'wordly' bible story book by her parents, very beautiful, very simple and entirely suitable for her toddler years.

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If you've left JWs for Christ - will the end still come?

by flamegrilled in

something i don't see supported much on jwn is the notion that the end of this system is indeed coming, even if later than wts has predicted over the years.. now for those that have left and become complete non-believers (in the bible) that is understandable.

you guys are welcome to comment of course, but i'm far more interested in some feedback from the people who have left jws and pursued a christian course.

are you still convinced that there will be a war of armaggedon or do you now interpret the scriptures a different way?.

tornapart

I believe most of what Jesus said in Matt 24 and Luke 21 as having 1st century fulfillment and most of Revelation as having future fulfillment. I still believe in an 'Armageddon', a resurrection at the end of a 1,000 years (but am beginning to go towards that 1,000 years as not literal) and the final destruction of Satan. Whether it comes in my time or not I am not concerned. This is God's time plan and even Jesus didn't know the dates when he was on earth and neither did the angels. All that matters to me is learning as much as I can now and being as a good a christian as I can.

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Common JW phrases that aren't in the Bible

by biometrics in

i'm interested to know common phrases jehovah's witnesses use, but don't actually apear in the bible (even the nwt).

especially phrases most jw's would assume are in the bible.

e.g.. "paradise earth".

tornapart

God's channel of communication

God's heavenly organisation

God's earthly organisation

Brooklyn Bethel

Song number

Watchtower study

RBC

HLC

Kingdom Activity

Spritual feeding programme

1914

Convention

Judicial Comittee

Foreign Field

Wholesome recreation

Disfellowship

Public reproof

Private reproof

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Catch phrases in JW literature

by biometrics in

the writers of jw literature tend to use a lot of fluffy catch phrases / words to support their reasoning.

e.g.. likewise today (likewise in our time)evidentlywhat are some you've noticed?.

.

tornapart

as christians we should...

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F&DS reducing occurrences of JESUS in revised New World Translation

by wannabefree in

after much prayerful consideration, responsible representatives of the "faithful and discreet slave" class have decided to reduce the number of times that the name jesus appears in the main text of the new world translation of the holy scriptures (greek scriptures) from 919 to 79.. the reason for this change is one of the same reasons recently given for the new songbook.

as you may recall, the songbook "sing praises to jehovah" had about half of the songs with jesus as the theme.

in the new songbook, "sing to jehovah", we felt it appropriate for jehovah to be exalted more than jesus so the songbook reflects that balanced view by having 2/3 of the songs praising jehovah and 1/3 to jesus.. the translation committee for the new world translation of the holy scriptures found it appropriate to restore the divine name "jehovah" 237 times in the main text of the christian greek scriptures, this is very disproportionate from the number of times the name "jesus"occurs, which is 919 times in the main text.

tornapart

I've noticed more songs in the songbook praising the FDS, GB... Jesus gets barely a look in. I can't sing them. I find it disturbing that Christ is getting increasingly left out. I much prefer the NIV bible to the NWT. At least Christ has his rightful place in it.

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The TENSION of unbearable BELIEF

by Terry in

i have a personal theory about russell, rutherford and franz.. it extends to end times religious people in general.. that is, highly intelligent...end times believers.... .

there is a tension to believing something that never seems to overlap with reality.. your intelligence keeps flashing "something's wrong".. but, your deeply held convictions (faith) tells you to shut the f**k up!.

so, you live your live with a "gnawing" away at your brain.

tornapart

Well, the WTS believe God is going to wipe out 6,993,000,000 people... that's just a few more than Manson...

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What is Most Essential for HAPPINESS, ?

by caliber in

jw
friends

something to do, someone to love, or something to hope for ...do you need all or just some of these for a fulfilling life ?.

which one is most essential or are all equal in importance ?.

tornapart

Happiness is a butterfly, which when pursued, is always just beyond your grasp, but which, if you will sit down quietly, may alight upon you... Nathaniel Hawthorne

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The TENSION of unbearable BELIEF

by Terry in

i have a personal theory about russell, rutherford and franz.. it extends to end times religious people in general.. that is, highly intelligent...end times believers.... .

there is a tension to believing something that never seems to overlap with reality.. your intelligence keeps flashing "something's wrong".. but, your deeply held convictions (faith) tells you to shut the f**k up!.

so, you live your live with a "gnawing" away at your brain.

tornapart

Terry, you are a real 'out of the box thinker'! I like your style! :)

That's some thought provoking points there. I reckon there might very well be something in that. I can understand how the R&F have been deluded but often wondered how the leaders can be, if they are not then it is outright want of power and control. The fact that they are creating their own fantasy and trying to turn it into a reality makes a lot of sense. They think that if they get everyone to believe it strongly enough it might actually come true....

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Ridiculous article I found about anointed going to heaven/partaking of emblems

by lilbluekitty in

i'm copy/pasting this from the cd rom (i only have the 2008 one and older ones), watchtower 2/15/03.

i was browsing to refresh my memory what jws believe about who can partake of the memorial because the church i go to now has the lord's supper every sunday as part of their worship.

a person who truly has this calling does not need to ask others if he has such a hope.

tornapart

It's just a way of keeping the 'GC' in it's place, under control and out of the Kingdom of Heaven. They don't belong there because the 'Slave' said so.