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Disassociated
by LB ini'm new here and i'm certain this topic has been discussed in the past so please forgive me for bringing it up.
i've been inactive for about 3 years now and at this time would like to disassociate myself as i do plan to celebrate holidays and such.
so i think it is to my advantage to da myself before i get dfed.
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paulvarjak
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Reinstatement after a disassociation is often more difficult than if you were disfellowshipped. You would have to go through the same process of attending meetings and visible repentance (ie. groveling). But if you disassociate, they will likely view you as an apostate and would be more hesitant to allow you to be reinstated.
paul
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What is this about Marking?
by Missie Eff ini have a good freind here with me this evening.
(celtic, if you're around you know her - it's liane).
there is something that has always puzzled both of us.
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paulvarjak
The body of elders that I was a part of, in Texas BTW, was a marking machine. It was a regular feature and I have personally talked to the service desk in NY regarding the "proper protocol".
The most common marking is for those dating or marrying unbelievers. But it can apply to almost any situation and is at the discretion of the elder body for anything that is not technically a disfellowshipping matter but would represent shady conduct. By the protocol outlined from WT, the person is to be counseled first. If they don't respond and continue with their course then they would be informed that they are going to be marked.
This takes place with a talk from the platform where the person is not specifically identified, but the congo is given specific enough info to get the idea of whom and why. For instance, 'Would we want to associate with one who flaunts righteous standards by dating a worldly man...' or 'We should guard against association with ones who would be involved with (fill in the blank)', etc.
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BEAT that Child!
by Farkel inthis is sort of a continuation of threads on dubs and how they are conditioned to discipline their children.
someone questioned whether the society actually encouraged dubs to whup their children.
i only had enough time to dig up a few salient quotes from the wt magazine.
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paulvarjak
You remember the song about children being precious gifts?
"They are gifts from God...
He says use the rod..."I remember my father pausing during a public talk, saying "Excuse me" to the audience, coming off stage and giving my brother and I a couple of good swats to the backside, then going back on the platform and continuing as if nothing had happened.
I gave a public talk about 5 years ago in a hall and this elderly sister comes up afterward and says "I remember when you were a boy, your dad used to spank your behind right on the front row..."
Fark, reading those WT quotes made me ill.
paul
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Old Kingdom Melodies
by muslima ineven after a bit of time has gone by - do lyrics to "kingdom melodies" still drift in anyone's head?.
it is over 6 years now -- yesterday and even still now - for whatever reason the song with the lyrics "the way of the truth is the best way of living" -- just that line kept going through my head!
it's driving me crazy!.
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paulvarjak
I always liked the "bees that were molested".
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Questions on WTBTS abortion teachings
by Skimmer ingranted that the wtbts is, in general, anti-abortion.
interestingly, i can't find a reference to it in the _pay attention_ elders' manual, although tobacco and breast caressing are worthy of mention as being offensive.. i have encountered reports that the official wtbts abortion teaching includes the idea that an unborn child who dies as a result of abortion or miscarriage is considered not to be eligible for a resurrection in paradise earth, let alone a residence in heaven.. isn't this more than a little inconsistent with the wtbts "body equals soul" teaching?
if an unborn child is not considered human and is so denied a future, then why is a jw female punished (by being disfellowshipped, i assume) if she has an abortion?.
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paulvarjak
I've always thought this to be inconsistent.
One of thier abortion "proof texts" is Exodus 21:22,23 which concerns a pregnant woman being injured (which they extend to the fetus). If this happened, the life of the injurer was to be taken "soul for soul".
Yet the baby doesn't have a soul to be resurrected?
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some 2001 year figures reported on wol
by expatbrit innot sure of the accuracy: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000129
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paulvarjak
Next years figures will be seriously skewed due to the WTC disaster. All those fearful inactives streaming back to the FDS 'the end is almost upon us' nonsense.
Pity, but expected.
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Favorite Dead Performer
by Yerusalyim inequal time, and given the spirit of the season, who is your favorite dead performer?.
mine, buddy holly, though he just kinda laid there and oozed all over the stage.. yerusalyim.
"vanity!
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Keith Richards
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10/1 WT: Creative days = 7,000 years
by Seeker inthe fourth paragraph on page 30 in the october 1, 2001 wt says this:.
"getting back to paul's statement in hebrews, we note that he pointed out that "there remains a sabbath resting for the peoples of god," and he urged his fellow christians to do their utmost "to enter into that rest.
" this shows that when paul wrote those words, "the seventh day" of god's rest, which had started some 4,000 years earlier, was still in progress.
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paulvarjak
My exwife, a JW pioneer of 15 years, thought that dinosaurs were all a hoax "like the cavemen". She was staunch that they never existed until the 1990 WT came out and she read it from "God's channel".
Try reasoning with a person like that.
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Outrage
by paulvarjak inthis morning, i awoke and read discussions on this board from ones who were frightened by the events of the week, who are still manipulated by longheld jw beliefs to see this as a sign and i was outraged.
when i began to read my sunday paper, i was further outraged by the tragedy in new york, washington d.c. and pittsburg and the following statements from dr. david skidmore, professor of political science and international relations at drake university.
commenting on the assumption of arab nations he stated that in the arab mind "the united states is all-powerful, is in control and dictates things...if something happens, it is because the united states wants it.".
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paulvarjak
This morning, I awoke and read discussions on this board from ones who were frightened by the events of the week, who are still manipulated by longheld JW beliefs to see this as a sign and I was outraged.
When I began to read my Sunday paper, I was further outraged by the tragedy in New York, Washington D.C. and Pittsburg and the following statements from Dr. David Skidmore, professor of political science and international relations at Drake University. Commenting on the assumption of Arab nations he stated that in the Arab mind "the United States is all-powerful, is in control and dictates things...If something happens, it is because the United States wants it."
I remembered how I once believed as a JW that Satan was in control and responsible for all things evil. How it was "us against them". The "world" versus "God's chosen people". "Christian warfare". Granted, JWs are not a militant group. But the fundamentalist thoughts responsible for this weeks sensless violence and JW fundamentalism are eerily similar.
So are the effects. Without minimizing or trivializing the tragedy that happened in my nation, I must admit that the results of this weeks terrorism are similar to JW fundametalism - families and communities being torn appart or destroyed. 4,800 victims this week. How many suffer enforced shunning so far this year? How could I have once believed this?
When I think of persons considering going back to the Witnesses precisely because of the fear that they have engendered, there is only anger and grief.