Posts by wallsofjericho

where are you? are you ok? I miss your awesome videos and all the awesome work you did for us all! No one has created videos exposing the watchtower society like you did.

I hope your ok bro.

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Bullet list of major (recent) changes

by RN in

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friends

it is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.

his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.

when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.

wallsofjericho

"This is where we start to enter another issue entirely, which is this - will the Society get desperate enough to "cook" the numbers in the worldwide report as their decline grows worse?..." Cedars, above

I have begun to suspect that the Watchtower Society has been 'cooking' their numbers for many decades, now...

Fudging them, at the very least.

oh the numbers are cooked for sure! statistics can be manipulated a million ways. when the WTS defines what a "land" is then they can make up any number of "lands" they want now can't they?

when both parents count 1 child as a study hows is reporting 2 studies totalling 2 hours of time and honest representation of what occured? (1 study and 1 hour)

babies are counted at kingdom halls as attendees on the tally. I have seen babies counted over a phone hook up b/c the baby was sleeping beside the care giver that was listening! we announce attendance numbers at assemblies and print the memorial attendance in the WT, how many of these are in diapers?

when a person drops down hundreds of magazines at laundry mats and bus stations and counts these as placements or worse yet return visits! how is the WTS placement tallies accurate?

numbers mean nothing when they are generated by the beneficiary of those numbers

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Bullet list of major (recent) changes

by RN in

jw
friends

it is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.

his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.

when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.

wallsofjericho

15 minutes service time to be active - result: higher publisher numbers (cant remember year)
both parents can count a study for children - result: huge increase to number of bible studies (again I can't remember the year)
2007(?) - dropped closing of the call in 1931 (they say 1935 but the prophecy applied to this was 12 years from 1919-1931, 99% of dubs don't know this. - result: disconnected a timeline to armageddon from failed WTS prophecy
2007 - dropped wicked generation and changed to 144,000. then 1 year later changed again to overlapping. result: was less obvious that all the WTS was doing was reversing their 1995 change back to what it was before that, but just stetching the number of years of a generation. This would make the WTS appear to change generation teachings immediately after the death of a WTS president as was the case since the death of russell. (look it up, it's true)
2011 - pioneers in April only require 30 hours. Result: huge increase in appearance of pioneers in April.
2014 -pioneers in the summer will only require 15 hours of service time and walking 1 old lady across the street

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Bullet list of major (recent) changes

by RN in

jw
friends

it is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.

his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.

when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.

wallsofjericho

1992 Nethinim to the Governing Body

this vanished as quickly as it came. If I recall Barb Anderson wrote about this on freeminds. I beleive some in the writing dept. got in shit for this.

Could someone remind us again what the "generation change" of teaching was in 1995/1996, and how it was different than the "overlapping" generation change of 2008-2011?

1995 saw the generation go from that of the 1914 generation to the "wicked generation". This was a major shift as there was no correllation between the two and the wicked generation had no temporal impact.

Interestingly, if you look at the current 2010 teaching of overlapping generations, it is essentially the same as the 1914 generation that freddie the oracle taught and the WTS kept till 1995. The only change between that generation and the current is that generation = overlapping contemporanious generations instead of just one 70-80 year generation.
All else is the same. This (overlapping) generation that saw the events of 1914 will by no means pass away until all these events occur. The WTS has just gone back to Freddie's 1914 generatin teaching but stretched it out to a 140-160 year term instead of a 70-80 year period

however, they used Freddie's 99 years as an example of a generation so applying this rule it could stretch out to 198 years from 1914. :P

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Unsubstantiated Rumors In Recent Years

by metatron in

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friends

across the past several years, various rumors have appeared on this and other websites.

if anyone else has knowledge about them, i'd be glad to hear more about them.

again, these are only rumors that i've wondered about but could never get more information on.. 1) henschel documents- long before the watchtower's alliance with the un was exposed, a rumor appeared from europe that watchtower president milton henschel carried some kind of diplomatic identification from the un!

wallsofjericho

Dear Barbara,

do you ever recall a time at bethel where a breakfast announcement was made about brothers renting pornography from a local video store? I heard they were directed to return the movies before work started that day. I heard this from a missionary that claimed to be on a phone hook up from another bethel the morning this was announced, it would have been at least 15+ years ago (before 1997)

i was really told this.... in fact the brother implied that a bethel elder would have been at the store waiting as they came to return the xxx movies.

apparently the vidoe store owner called the bethel and reported that adult movies were being rented with the bethel address as the home address of the renters. He felt this was in conflict with what JW's represent so he reported it.

as I recall this was first hand that I heard this, the brother that told me was having breakfast with the bethel family on hook up to the mother ship.

would love to hear from Barb if she ever recalled this :)

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Unsubstantiated Rumors In Recent Years

by metatron in

jw
friends

across the past several years, various rumors have appeared on this and other websites.

if anyone else has knowledge about them, i'd be glad to hear more about them.

again, these are only rumors that i've wondered about but could never get more information on.. 1) henschel documents- long before the watchtower's alliance with the un was exposed, a rumor appeared from europe that watchtower president milton henschel carried some kind of diplomatic identification from the un!

wallsofjericho

WE should start a column. "Ask Barbara" Everyone writes in and once a week Barbara addresses a question at random.

yes!!!!!!

I am not interested in false rumours, but I love to here those little details (such as the press being shut down) that take ever more mystery out of the bethel walls and back room elder meetings with CO's and DO's.

I will start...

Dear Barbara,

do you ever recall a time at bethel where a breakfast announcement was made about brothers renting pornography from a local video store? I heard they were directed to return the movies before work started that day. I heard this from a missionary that claimed to be on a phone hook up from another bethel the morning this was announced, it would have been at least 15+ years ago (before 1997)

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Question #9 of this week's "oral review" of DVD "Faith In Action"...

by Alfred in

this week, the service meeting will have an oral review of the dvd faith in action which was distributed in the 2010 district assembly worldwide... as many of you probably know, the intent of this dvd is to present a "white-washed" version of the history of the watchtower by omitting all the scandals and cover-ups.... i no longer go to meetings, but i would have loved to raise my hand and answer question #9 which reads: "what did the bible students expect would happen in 1914?".

my response would have been the following:.

even though the geoffrey jackson admits that the bible students expected a "heavenly reward", the dvd avoids mentioning that russell categorically predicted armageddon would come in october of 1914. what's even worse is the fact that the narrator lied on two occasions by saying that the bible students expected or reasoned that jesus would take the throne in 1914. this is completely false.

wallsofjericho

back on topic:

this DVD is absolute BS. Cherry picked and candy coated for the R&F.

My wife could see the anger in my face as I sat through it, even asked me what was wrong.

It just amazes me that the WTS actually believes that lying to the R&F is okay to jehoba. As if they are somehow saving the R&F from themselves should they doubt the org if they knew what really happened.

I saw our DVD's in our briefcase after the DC and I threw them in the garbage, along with all the other books and brochures she brought home. All straight in the trash.
this has become one of my sick pleasures now, taking lots of lit from assemblies and throwing it all in the garbage. oh well, the WTS made me this way! ;)

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Asking a girl out

by d in

i was trying to ask this girl out i liked but a classmate i know informed me since she works with her that she is a jehovah witness.

what do i do?.

wallsofjericho

all advice above is good. you don't want any part of that.

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Odd question in July 15 2012 WT

by breakfast of champions in

what if a powerful government were to hatch a plot to exterminate jehovah's witnesses as an organization?.

they ask this question at the bottom of page 23 of the july wt, and i thought the wording was kind of strange.

the target is not jws "the people" (as in nazi germany) but the org alone.

wallsofjericho

its a cult. they are just reinforcing the "us against them" mentality. JW's , and all brainwashed culties for that matter, eat this shit right up