in my area the general sense is bleak.
many are in survival mode.
even at the convention the appearance of the majority was unhappy and tired.
I find that most just don't give all these changesuch thought
if guess the vast majority are in for the freindship and family, not for the "truth" about overlapping generations and 1914 or a wensite
when I hang out with JWs were all just having a good time, no one ever talks about "theocratic" stuff because nobody seems to really care
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i miss your awesome videos and all the awesome work you did for us all!
no one has created videos exposing the watchtower society like you did.. i hope your ok bro.. .
any updates about V's whereabouts over the past 2 years?
i just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.
also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.
i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.
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today, thanks to a brave do and my colleague elkatire 1980, we make make public the manual, guidelines for traveling overseers (tga-s), of which existence many suspected, but even in english, it wasnt available.. from its very title page, this book indicates in bold letters:.
it should not be shown to others, nor should any portion of it be reproduced.
note: for now, this book is only available in spanish, but we are working in translating a brief summary in english, hoping that someone from the english congregations makes it available to you soon.. http://hildeydesa.blogspot.com/2014/06/pautas-para-los-superintendentes.html.
The monthly reimbursement can be contributed in whole or in part to the worldwide work by reducing the requested amount in the form Monthly Report (S-301).
nice play with this one WTS!
would love to know why they aren't on the jw.org.. any ideas?.
it's a bit sad but i still listening to them.
i feel quite industrious when they are on so get the housework done..
i find the new song book a real sleeper. vast majority are somber, mono-tone, boring. where's the "WE'RE JEVOVAH'S WITNESSES!!" and the good ol' victory song?? (CHIPMUNK VOICE) but the bible gives US a reason for cheer....
the introduction & conclusion to this video is in german, but david splanes' words are loud and clear in english - get your kid baptized asap!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h33pwdsuvlq&feature=youtu.be.
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If you don't think dressing a 5-year old in a suit and punshing him if he doesn't sit still for 2 hours is cruel, then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I didn't say anything about punishing them. I said its not cruel for kids to be made to be quiet and respectful for 2 hours. I disagree with punishment for something like that.
Cofty - yes I was born in. And no, I didn't like sitting at meetings. But I didn't like sitting in school from 9am to 3:45pm everyday from age 5 to 18 either but I did that too. was that cruel? And please don't make a strawman by comparing the usefulness or benefit of each, that's not the issue.
I understand we all have our issues with the Org. but seriously, not all churches have sunday school for kids, lots of kids sit quietly in church, lots of kids sit quitly in school, and lots of adults work in a respectful work environment. Why are some so quick to point a finger solely at the WTS without considering all the others they are implicating with their accusal?
the introduction & conclusion to this video is in german, but david splanes' words are loud and clear in english - get your kid baptized asap!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h33pwdsuvlq&feature=youtu.be.
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the teachings of the WTS are total BS, but I don't agree that learning to sit and be attentive for a couple hours is cruel. I think this teaches maturity to kids, and respect. Which is lacking in many western children.
IMHO immigrants with stricter cultural respect for their parents/elders are much better students and far more respectful and successful as contributors to society than their western counterparts
i was going to say "i could do with a leak" but that would sound wrong.
so i'll rephrase, has anyone got a leaked copy of the new dvd released at the district sorry regional convention this year?.
i would think DVD's are much cheaper to produce than books. And of course once its online they never have to commit to reprints.
what are the JW's going to study in 5 years? Caleb videos? I suppose by then you'll be counseled for not having a tablet at all times since so much of our "spiritual food" will be internet based.
100 years of Jesus enthronement celebrated with a website app.
i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.
i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.
the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.
the org has survived so much in the past,,,, but..... the internet has only been big for the past 20 years or so. a generation of young adults that have never known a world without the internet now exists and they are spawning a 2nd generation of cyber dwellers.
the generation of kids entering grade school will never know a time when they couldn't IMMEDIATELY verify a fact.... or disprove a false one.
All those fanciful antitypes that Freddie used to dazzle the R&F with are gone. They could never get away with such garbage today. If 2/3's of kids are leaving the org today, imagine in 20 years how bad that number will be
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PS - nice quote Vanderhoven
recently, my mother, who had stopped talking to me because i was 'apostate,' started speaking to me again.. (note that i successfully faded as opposed to ever being disfellowshipped due to dodging every elder question with "i'm not sure, i'm still searching and trying to find the answers.").
the reason why?
at the international convention this year, they receieved a new video called something or other.
"yes, all of these other things make sense, but ignore them all, emotional appeal, everyone is happy in the end!" This is literally what they're producing now.
even the magazines follow this same model of appealing to emotion in the face of undeniable fact. maybe a 3 years ago there was an article on space and the big bang and evolution. The argument was basically if the universe wasn't created by Jehovah then our lives are without greater purpose. Can you imagine?!
there is no sense trying to argue with science cause there is just too much evidence out there. Too much flow of information. They can't debate science and win so they appeal to emotion. It's all they have left..... scare the shit out of their believers.
