Posts by wallsofjericho

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Do the Governing Body believe their own teachings or know it's a lie? Are they atheists?

by BucketShopBill in

the new young blood gb member, you think he really thinks this is the truth or is he protecting his financial interest like all the older gb members who enjoy basking in glory of men?

do you think they believe in the "over-lapping generation" or was that a mistake done by barr?.

how much of the watchtower and the bible do the governing body know, ray franz jr. said he was not impressed with their bible knowledge and their lack of knowledge of the watchtower cannon.

wallsofjericho

I share OnTheWayOut's sentiment

I think they honestly and sincerely believe Jah is running the Org. But when they get in the top seat, they can't help but feel a sense of dissappointment with reality.

Certainly any JW on the planet would imagine all sorts of divine direction and "guidance" from Jehovah amongst the GB. But once they get there, they're busy consulting the Legal Dept. about what they can and can't do in a situation, and consulting a research team about what they currently teach in print on a complicated subject and then directing another team to figure out a way to transition their old light into their end product new light.

There must be a sense of "business" when making the big decisions. The lack of "spiritual guidance" from Jah must be present. the feeling, the knowing that THEY are making a decision that will have consequences must make them feel like they are doing this on their own without Jehovah

I would imagine there are some among the GB that long for the old days of warm fuzzy ignorance to the reality of running a major corporation.

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Is truth relative?

by Pinku in

seeing various/changing laws on the same action, some may feel truth is relative, and there is no such thing as right and wrong.. yet a closer look at beneath the details would show that truth is not relative, and everyone knows what is right and wrong.. driving in the night by putting the head-light off is wrong, but right when country is in war with another country.

behind both the conflicting laws, the truth is same: safety and welfare of the people.

this is true of notion about what is right and wrong:.

wallsofjericho

yes?

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Why do you come here?

by love2Bworldly in

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i come here to learn, but i also come here because it feels like a private club and i'm privy to be a member of the "in" crowd.

it's a great place to socialize.

does anyone else feel that they are a member of a special "club" when they come here, that only some people in this world will understand the jw world?.

wallsofjericho

i don't read any WT articles anymore, i come here to benefit from those that do and share the "new light" so I can watch more football

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Was Charles Russell delusional or just a con artist?

by keyser soze in

i've seen him referred to as both on this forum.. did he sincerely believe that he was an inspired prophet whose end-time predictions and biblical interpretations came from god?

or was he just a shrewd businessman who saw a market of disillusioned christians who believed that armageddon was imminent that he could exploit?.

i personally lean toward the latter.. .

wallsofjericho

i think he sincerely believed what he taught. But after 1914 I am certain he finally felt the cold reality smack him in the face the same way Barbour did back in 1878, but by that time it was too late.

It seems after 1914 till his death in 1916, CTR really had nothing much to say about anything. After he dies Rutherford turned the religion on its head.

CTR must have realized he was a false prophet

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Spanking VS. Reasoning

by SpeedRacer in

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i am having a discussion at work with the jw's.

should you spank a child to make them understand or do you reason with them.

they both agree with spanking.

wallsofjericho

ecan6

Terry

and that is why this is still such a debate. ALL KIDS ARE DIFFERENT. Good for you ecan6 for recognizing your dad's discipline for what it was. It obviously was a direct response to bad behaviour and not abuse or "laziness" by your father.

Terry, wonderful to see sincere love for your children and for your childfren to be so moved by it that it was all that was needed to correct their behaviours.

perhaps ecan6 would have viewed your tears differently than your kids and stronger discipline would have been necessary for HIM were he your child. No one can say for sure, but we all know families with good kids and problem kids. I would assume both are raised in the same manner yet one may still need strong discipline while others need only a look from a parent to be enough.

all kids are different. Unfortuntaley sometimes a quick pat on the bum (and never in anger or with aggression) is the one thing that will get a wild young boys attention.

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Spanking VS. Reasoning

by SpeedRacer in

jw
friends

i am having a discussion at work with the jw's.

should you spank a child to make them understand or do you reason with them.

they both agree with spanking.

wallsofjericho

ecan6

and that is why this is such a debate. Both you and Terry make excellent points. ALL KIDS ARE DIFFERENT.

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Spanking VS. Reasoning

by SpeedRacer in

jw
friends

i am having a discussion at work with the jw's.

should you spank a child to make them understand or do you reason with them.

they both agree with spanking.

wallsofjericho

------- If your boss spanked you whenever you did not do as he said you would call the police. --------

i can't fire my kids. These are two completely different situations. Until I had my own kids I could never understand this debate. I now fully understand it. that's all I am going to say

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i was happy before i woke up

by losingit in

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idk if waking up has been good for me.

i still have almost no friends.

im still waiting to graduate this december to qualify n b certified for my job.

wallsofjericho

I take it you feel no obligation to confess personal failings to the elders? Do you have any friends outside the Witnesses?

correct and yes

I have absolutely zero obligation to share anything I do or feel with elders, they are just people like everyone else. I either like them or I don't, not as elders, but as humans.

I actually have a few elder friends that feel much the same way I do and I have shared my thoughts with them about the WTS. It's VERY liberating to find ones in higher ranking positions that also see the WTS for what it is but use it to better their lives anyway. It can take years for these ones to "feel you out" to see if they can truly trust you. Once your there though, you have an unimaginable bond. Of course the uber-dubs are always shocked to find out that you, an inactive "weak" JW, are good freinds with elders that give talks at District Conventions. It's very confusing to the fully indoctrintated to see this and I LOVE IT!

yes I have friends outside of the JW's and they all know my true feelings about the WTS and they could care less. This amazed me initially. JW's are raised to feel like the whole world is watching you and knows everything about you and are trying to trick you away from Jehovah. Then you discover that few people know anything about JW's at all and could care less what religion you are as long as you are a nice person.

its not the easiest life I live, but who has an "easy life" 100% of the time? We all have our crosses to bear. All things considered, I think I have it pretty good compared to most

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Skinny dipping in the new order?

by donny in

the jw's are quick to tell you that when jehovah has finished kicking the ass of those who do not acknowledge the teachings of the watchtowers governing body in new york state, that those who survive will live forever in a restored paradise on earth.

the same goes for those who are resurrected during the 1000 year reign of jesus and survive satan being let loose "for a little while" at the end.. they are also quick to tell you that everything will be just as it was for adam and eve before the latter decided she needed a fruit fix and then got her hubby high on it as well.. and when you view the illustrations in their publications showing what they view this paradise to be, it shows a world of lush color.

the deep greens of all the trees and grass, the clean blue skies, puffy white clouds and tables covered in a plethora of fresh fruits and vegetables representing just about every major color.

wallsofjericho

no one ever seems to think about what shift they will work in the mine shaft or steel foundry plant.

even making nails is a hot and dirty job.

some talk about golf.... where are you gonna get the clubs? widdle your own? Shoes, belts, windows, roofing materials, lumber, sheering sheep to make wool, and leather??? what about leather??

paradise will be a very hard life indeed

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i was happy before i woke up

by losingit in

jw
friends

idk if waking up has been good for me.

i still have almost no friends.

im still waiting to graduate this december to qualify n b certified for my job.

wallsofjericho

Trebor,

that is why the BOrg needs people like me and "itisme", to bring some balance and perspective to the R&F with whom we are friends

there are many like us that dismiss the WTS's dogma and just enjoy the close comradery of our friends. I like going to parties and seeing freinds from 20 years ago, still married, happy kids, etc. Not everything is perfect but those of us that have worked this out for ourselves have a great circle of freinds and know how to stay away from the "crazies" and uber-dubs