Posts by KalebOutWest

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

When I was talking about abuse and mean people, I was NOT speaking about this thread or on this site.

The religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is a harsh place. It's not harsh because it is a cold box, but because it is made up of people, many of which are harsh in and of themselves. They don't necessarily become better people on the outside. Case in point.

I don't care if someone does or doesn't believe in this or that. It's whether they treat people better now. It's not religion that injures people. It's the people in religions that do. Those same people when they leave, do you think they suddenly stop injuring overnight? Do they change just because they stop believing in some supernatural deity?

If you don't believe in a god and they don't either, that doesn't mean they are suddenly going to be good people if they were horrible to you when you knew them in your Kingdom Hall. Becoming an atheist didn't erase the record of this child molestor from the congregation I once attended, so how can losing faith in a god change anything about one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

If a man was a bully in his JW days, then leaves and puts religion behind, does the bully suddenly dissolve too? Or does it only stay if he is religious? Is being atheist or agnostic a guarantee that the ex-JW has been cured of his bullying? Is there science to prove this? Or is that a myth too?

I believe in people who are atheists. I believe in people who are agnostic. 100%.

I don’t believe in people like Cofty, however.

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

So, leave me the hell, alone.

I don't need you trolling me anymore.

I thought I was safe here from you and people, like you. I guess I was wrong.

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

Dear Cofty,

What do want from me.

Are you the elder who abuse me for 10 years when I a young man all that time I was in the Organization, come back to haunt me.

Is this what you want. To continue the abuse, but since you can't touch me, you've chose to come across via the Internet and be abusive like this now?

You can't stop, can you? I was a very nice young man, a very nice person among the Jehovah's Witnesses. But there were so many of you that were so mean.

And then coming out, you are still mean. Mean people.

I've made something good of my life. And you can't stand it. So now, you run into me, and you are there being abusive the only way you can, with words.

You are an evil man. You can't erase what you did in the congregation just because you are out, you know. It still happened. I know what you did.

Just because you don't believe there is a supernatural god watching over you, that doesn't mean you won't get what's coming to you.

It will happen.

You will still have to pay.

You will.

You are still a bad, bad, bad man.

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."--Mark Twain.

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

And here's another:

https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-stop-arguing-online/

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

I don't want to go further...I don't like deabting on the Internet.

If you missed your chance to join the National Speech & Debate Association, go to college and find a professor who will get in your face and make you argue all day with him.

But debating on the Internet is useless--it's for people who don't want to use their time wisely.

Read this and then, get another degree if you have one, or your first, if you don't:

https://www.theexceptionalskills.com/arguing-on-the-internet/

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

I don't want to debate. I just wanted to leave a friendly note.

Why do people want to be fucking idiots on here! Geesh!

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

No, that isn't what I said at all.

The question was "why" and not "what".

I am a big supporter for atheism and agnostism and ignostism as a matter of fact.

But "why" do people do things is different than "what is the reason" for something.

Also, the "god" wasn't explained. We're not Jehovah's Witnesses anymore. I left the organization years ago. Is this just Jehovah?

I used to be a teacher of religion. I'm retired now. Is this the Christian view of God? Is this one of the Jewish views of God (and are we talking Spinoza, Fromm, or Kaplan)? Let's say maybe even more Eastern or the various Native American or further south? Hindu maybe? What are we talking about for "god"?

Not all "god" forms hear prayer or resurrect or are deities or are even supernatural.

So where do you want to start.

I have my PhD. I'm ready, Cofty.

I'm puzzled why I even needed to explan that.

How about we just do Fromm?

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

Look, I don't care what Cofty thinks about my post. It stands as it does.

People have a right to not believe in anything once they leave and to believe when they leave the Watchtower.

There are no definitives.

We are free to make our own ways.

If he wants to return us to "black-and-white" ways, as if there facts, let him draw them out, and you can follow him as your god or leader.

Let Cofty be your guide.

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Why believe in a god?

by menrov in

if you consider that the god they believe in:.

- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.

........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?

KalebOutWest

Prove, objectively, that you have the ability to determine I do not care about what is "objectively true" in the question.

I would love to see how you can do that from all the way over there...