KalebOutWest
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
Sure, there are some things you will see in this thread, like me calling one of Judaism's denominations, Secular Humanistic Judaism an "oxymoron" and stating that members of Humanistic Judaism were 'slaves to empty ritual' and engaged in a "waste of time"--don't think of this as an insult.
It's not. I don't insult people. I'm a Christian. I'm someone who is like Jesus.
KalebOutWest should remember that--and if he doesn't, I will pray that Jesus heals him. Pray with me, will you?
It also wasn't antisemitic (or in bad taste) to follow up the same comments, calling that denomination "empty ritual" with a Seinfeld video from YouTube--you know, a Jewish comedian's TV program that was often called a "Show About Nothing." I think it was in very good taste, don't you?
And if Jews can't see the good humor in that, I think they should just get over themselves. This is America, and were Christians here, damnit!
Ooops, I shouldn't have said that last word. I'm such a pill sometimes!
Goodnight, sweethearts.😘
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
EasyPrompt says:
You would be wise to turn around and stop harassing Jesus' friends.
It's you who have been harassing me all these days.
First, you said I wasn't Jewish on another thread. Remember that?
Then you made fun of me for being Jewish.
Then you acted as if you didn't know that you were making antisemitic remarks.
Then you, a few days later, I caught you admitting to another person that you had indeed let your emotions get the best of yourself and you had really said things on this site that you should have never said--just as I had pointed out. I then pasted and cut those comments out and showed them to you--remember?
Then on this thread you have repeatedly insulted me (though you probably don't care or won't admit it) regarding my Jewish culture and how I live it--calling it an "oxymoron"--declaring your interpretation of things more authoritative than the way we've been living it for centuries, insulting our great sages and teachers.
You are doing the harassing--and in the name of your Jesus!
Is this what I will be like if I become a Christian--LIKE YOU?! Then forget it!
And besides, you can't prove anything. Where is your Jehovah? Can't Jehovah give you the spirit to enlighten you to prove to us that Jesus is alive? Or is he too busy going to the restroom and pooping? Remember, that is what Elijah said to the prophets of Baal when he teased them about their belief in a false god--they could not produce results either. If Jehovah is real, why can't he give you the spirit and fill you with the ability to prove to us that Jesus is alive?
Why can't your Jehovah produce the equivalent of "spiritual fire" in your heart and mind and produce evidence equivalent to that of what happened in the story of Elijah and the Baal worshipers? Either your Jehovah is not real or you are not a good enough servant for Jehovah to give spirit to.
"Jehovah" is just an invention of the Watchtower, not the real God of Abraham.
Either way, this is evidence for us not to listen to YOU ever again.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
EasyPrompt:
Jesus is alive.
Oh yeah?
Prove it.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
EasyPrompt, you still misunderstand.
That last part of the quote is about the term "God," not about my personal convictions. (That is why it is in quotes.)
I don't think people can agree on anything when religion clouds the mind and tells people they can start redefining what others are or what they believe when they are not really educated in such matters as the belief system and culture of Judaism.
Religious faith is not equal to a good education.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
EasyPrompt wrote:
KalebOutWest doesn't believe in God, but claims to read the Bible for the sake of tradition. To follow in that course would be to encourage slavery to empty ritual. What a waste of time!
You are incorrect. I merely said I was a Humanistic Jew.
You do not understand what it means when Humanistic Jews say they do not believe in God as Orthodox Jews do, in other words, as a literal, divine supernatural being described in the Scriptures.
Most Jews, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionists, Secular, Humanistic, etc., do not accept the narrow view of Orthodox rabbinical Judaism because of the teachings of Maimonides, Spinoza, and Mordecai Kaplan.
Since the Middle Ages, most Jews follow the view of Maimonides and do not believe the description of God in the Scriptures since those terms are anthropomorphic (describe God as having human features and qualities like idol gods). Maimonides taught that Jews should view God as ineffable, something too high to grasp by the human mind.
Thus many Jews, when they believe in God, are not claiming a belief in the "God of the Bible" like Christians do. Others do not see God as an entity or person but as "Something," far greater than a "being." Because the concept of "gods" is a human one, some Jews reject the concept altogether and will not use it to describe the Creator of life and the universe. This is NOT the exclusive view of Humanstic Judaism, but the majority view outside of Orthodox Judaism.
So when some Jews claim to be Secular or Humanist or say they are Jewish "without God," this should not be used to mean that they do not "believe in God," per se.
I am something known as "ignostic" in Jewish terms, which does not exclude a belief in God.
This term includes the view that debates regarding "what is God/belief in God" are generally a waste of time because parties cannot first come to an agreement on what might constitute "God" in the first place (if such a thing as "God" exists).
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
EasyPrompt wrote:
"Humanistic Jew" is also an oxymoron.
To what end can the denial of God have been created? If someone comes to you and asks your help, you shall not send him off with pious words, saying: "Have faith and take your troubles to God!" You shall act as if there were no God, as if there were only one person in all the world who could help this man--only yourself.--Rabbi Moshe Leib.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
Kosonen wrote:
Calab, how can you trust those claims that discredit Daniel as the author of the book of Daniel?
And besides that, when I read the book of Daniel, I can not think about anything else than that he is the writer of this book. When did you last time read the book of Daniel?
And may I ask you, how is your relation with Jehovah/Yahweh God?Some of the views you have come from the Watchtower and not from mainstream Christianity or Judaism. Like that introduction from the official Catholic Bible I showed you, it is not a "discredit" to claim that there was no historical Daniel. It is just another Watchtower lie that you believe. The view that "Daniel" is a folkhero goes back to Jewish antiquity, which is why the book itself is in the Writings section of the Jewish Tanakh and why Daniel is not listed as a prophet in the Talmud among the propets of Israel.
I read Daniel and the Scriptures almost daily. I am Jewish. I read them in their original languages. My family line can be traced all the way back to the Diaspora. From the Spanish Inquistion through the Holocaust, I have a family line that knows what I am saying to you. I am not making this up. I am passing this on to you.
What you are holding on to is Watchtower teaching. You are even using a Catholic derivative of the Shem HaMephorash or the Ineffable Name--"Jehovah"--a Gentile device which means nothing in Hebrew or to Jewish people. The use of that expression by Jehovah's Witnesses is a superstitious novelty that they use out of fear, believing that they will be punished by this deity named "Jehovah" (of their own creation) that will destroy them and anyone who does not pronounce it (or some derivative of it). In reality, the Shem HaMephorash means that God cannot be labeled or named, and the actual word YHWH may have been from a deity from a foreign tribe of people called the Shasu who lived at one time near Moab.
And Jews do not measure their lives by "their relation" with God--that must be some Christian or JW thing (I sort of remember a thing like that back in the day when I was associating in the 1980s with the Watchtower). Jews try to live lives caring for the earth, seeking out ways of finding practical solutions to problems for the world, finding their purpose for being here and fulfilling it. Since being a Jew is not a religion, some Jewish people believe in God, some do not. And even those who do, the concept of God is very complex in comparison to that held by Christianity. It has not remained static over the centuries and differs from person to person.
Some Jews who do believe in God do not believe in a personal God. And because praying or ritual do not hold the same meaning in Judaism as they do in Christianity, it is not rare to find many atheist and agnostic Jews engaging in prayer and worship. Because of the complexity of Jewish theology in comparison to Christian views of God, there is the ability for Jews to be something called "ignostic" which is not totally possible in the same manner for those raised in Western/Christian thought.
There is more to life than Jehovah's Witnesses and the New World Translation, I promise you.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
Kasonen wrote:
Kaleb, what do you say about the Tanakh? I just googled to see if the book of Daniel is there and yes it is.
I did signify this in my post before in one of my previous posts, writing:
Daniel is not included in the Prophets section of the Jewish canon, but the writings due not only to this fact but to the fact that it is not a prophecy but an apocalypse written by the Hasmoneons/Maccabees.
The Jewish canon is divided into three sections, namely the Torah (the Law), the Nevi'im (the Prophets), and the Ketuvim (the Writings). The letters from the three sections create the acronym from which the Jewish word "Tanakh" comes from.
The Book of Daniel is placed in the Ketuvim or "Writings" section of the Jewish Bible and not in the "Nevi'im or "Prophets" section. As I mentioned, "Daniel" is a Jewish folkhero from the Mesopotamian ancient world. He was not a real, historical person. The book is an apocalypse not a book of prophecy. That is why I said it was in the Writings section of the Jewish canon.
How you missed this or misunderstood this, I do not know.
Chabad, by the way, is a Jewish Orthodox religious group, some members of which believe its founder is the Jewish Messiah who died not too long ago. They do not believe in critical study but in mystical religious experience. Chabad does not speak for all Jews, just for their small group.
(If you want to know more about Judaism in general try the site My Jewish Learning which covers all Jewish denominations and the book Judaism for Dummies.)
Since Daniel was the last book written, being composed during the time of the Maccabees/Hasmoneans right before the first Chanukah (164 BCE), the book is often referred to among some Jews as "the Last Book." This is one of the reasons chapter 12 of Daniel ends with mention of the sealing of the book, the time of the end, and the resurrection.
The Hasmoneans described their struggles against the Hellenists in the person of "Daniel" and dramatized the fall of the Babylonians and world powers as the Seleucids to describe the re-dedication of the Temple under the Maccabees.
Even the official Roman Catholic Bible, the NABRE, states in its intoduction to Daniel:
This work was composed during the bitter persecution carried on by Antiochus IV Epiphanes (167–164 B.C.) and was written to strengthen and comfort the Jewish people in their ordeal. The persecution was occasioned by Antiochus’s efforts to unify his kingdom, in face of the rising power of Rome, by continuing the hellenization begun by Alexander the Great; Antiochus tried to force Jews to adopt Greek ways, including religious practices.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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KalebOutWest
Why are you suprised at the term "disinterested academics"?
You, EasyPrompt, claimed to be an archeologist, remember? You claimed you went to various universities to gain your credentials to officially become this type of expert in one of our discussions.
As a scientist you should be familiar with the need for having a disinterested party to ensure any critical conclusion anyone makes.
It isn't an "oxymoron" to a person who practices your methodology. Without a fellow academic to act as a disinterested party one cannot produce a critical theory, you know that. That is "Science 101," not an oxymoron.
As a Humanistic Jew, while I do celebrate Sukkot, I do not wave the Lulav.