Posts by DilemmaGF

drop its teaching on paradise earth.. the primary issue facing the watchtower results from it's teaching that members will never die, but live forever on this earth in paradise.

this teaching is cause of most of the doctrinal failures, and will be its eventual demise.. the promise of never dying is one of the foremost motivations for people that join the religion, and the message of living forever in paradise is compelling.

however, it is also the watchtower's achilles heel, as it forces false predictions of the nearness of the end.

DilemmaGF

I just don't buy it! Burning in hell is far more terrible than just die... And heaven is better than paradise on earth

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'Dinah Gets Into Trouble' - Does Story 20 Mean Rape = Fornication?

by sd-7 in

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i was listening, albeit unwittingly, to a 'my book of bible stories' tape and this statement caught me by surprise.

it's found in story 20:.

"one day when dinah came to visit, shechem took dinah and forced her to lie down with him.

DilemmaGF

Genesis 34
Dinah and the Shechemites
1 Now Dinah, the daughter Leah had borne to Jacob, went out to visit the women of the land. 2 When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and raped her. 3 His heart was drawn to Dinah daughter of Jacob; he loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her. 4 And Shechem said to his father Hamor, "Get me this girl as my wife."

5 When Jacob heard that his daughter Dinah had been defiled, his sons were in the fields with his livestock; so he did nothing about it until they came home.

6 Then Shechem's father Hamor went out to talk with Jacob. 7 Meanwhile, Jacob's sons had come in from the fields as soon as they heard what had happened. They were shocked and furious, because Shechem had done an outrageous thing in[a] Israel by sleeping with Jacob's daughter-a thing that should not be done.

8 But Hamor said to them, "My son Shechem has his heart set on your daughter. Please give her to him as his wife. 9 Intermarry with us; give us your daughters and take our daughters for yourselves. 10 You can settle among us; the land is open to you. Live in it, trade[b] in it, and acquire property in it."

11 Then Shechem said to Dinah's father and brothers, "Let me find favor in your eyes, and I will give you whatever you ask. 12 Make the price for the bride and the gift I am to bring as great as you like, and I'll pay whatever you ask me. Only give me the young woman as my wife."

13 Because their sister Dinah had been defiled, Jacob's sons replied deceitfully as they spoke to Shechem and his father Hamor. 14 They said to them, "We can't do such a thing; we can't give our sister to a man who is not circumcised. That would be a disgrace to us. 15 We will enter into an agreement with you on one condition only: that you become like us by circumcising all your males. 16 Then we will give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves. We'll settle among you and become one people with you. 17 But if you will not agree to be circumcised, we'll take our sister and go."

18 Their proposal seemed good to Hamor and his son Shechem. 19 The young man, who was the most honored of all his father's family, lost no time in doing what they said, because he was delighted with Jacob's daughter. 20 So Hamor and his son Shechem went to the gate of their city to speak to the men of their city. 21 "These men are friendly toward us," they said. "Let them live in our land and trade in it; the land has plenty of room for them. We can marry their daughters and they can marry ours. 22 But the men will agree to live with us as one people only on the condition that our males be circumcised, as they themselves are. 23 Won't their livestock, their property and all their other animals become ours? So let us agree to their terms, and they will settle among us."

24 All the men who went out of the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male in the city was circumcised.

25 Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob's sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male. 26 They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword and took Dinah from Shechem's house and left. 27 The sons of Jacob came upon the dead bodies and looted the city where[c] their sister had been defiled. 28 They seized their flocks and herds and donkeys and everything else of theirs in the city and out in the fields. 29 They carried off all their wealth and all their women and children, taking as plunder everything in the houses.

30 Then Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, "You have brought trouble on me by making me obnoxious to the Canaanites and Perizzites, the people living in this land. We are few in number, and if they join forces against me and attack me, I and my household will be destroyed."

31 But they replied, "Should he have treated our sister like a prostitute?"

Can't find a sentence where it says it was Dinah's fault...

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'Dinah Gets Into Trouble' - Does Story 20 Mean Rape = Fornication?

by sd-7 in

jw
friends

i was listening, albeit unwittingly, to a 'my book of bible stories' tape and this statement caught me by surprise.

it's found in story 20:.

"one day when dinah came to visit, shechem took dinah and forced her to lie down with him.

DilemmaGF

That is just NOT what the Bible says. OMG!! Seriously, is that what is really written in the Story Book? And it is a WTS publication? Can I know which book? Sorry I am never a JW so I don't know about the publications.

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Answer I got to the UN association.

by Inisc in

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so, this a long story but i'll try to keep it short.

this was about 2years ago,.

my wife brought up the un thing to my parents, much to their horror and despite me advising her not to.

DilemmaGF

Correction : The JW (inactive) that I know said...

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Answer I got to the UN association.

by Inisc in

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friends

so, this a long story but i'll try to keep it short.

this was about 2years ago,.

my wife brought up the un thing to my parents, much to their horror and despite me advising her not to.

DilemmaGF

Well, what can I say? The JW (inactive) said fornication is okay but not celebrating holidays... :(

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Yahoo! Answers is swarming with JWs

by DilemmaGF in

almost all the questions in yahoo!

answers related to jw are answered by jws.....

DilemmaGF

I guess we all could help in any ways we can to counter this issue. To tell the truth about WTS to the society.

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Victoria, Australia: A MUST READ-Transcript of audio recording of WT letter read to all Victoria congs Oct/Nov. 2011 re: Working With Children Act

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see www.jwnews.net, steven unthank's private blog site where he posted the following material.

i enlarged and put in bold the third paragraph of the wt's letter where the elder, an ex-bethelite, made some fascinating errors while reading the letter by using the words, "borg" and "perp.

" does this mean what i think it means?

DilemmaGF

"Unlike many religious organisations, congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses do not sponsor any activities that separate, or isolate, children from their parents. For example, we do not organise Sunday Schools, camps, excursions, religious instructions at schools, or any other activities for children."

Yeah, right. But you practice SHUNNING