....so you didn't have to go through the process of being reinstated?
please, share your experiences!
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I really don't know why anybody would want to subject themselves to this organization after being disfellowshipped.
If you don't create a life for yourself and apply yourself at filling the time that the Borg use to occupy, you may be tempted to go back. You really have to move on in every, single sense of the word. You will develop new friendship, new relationship and have better experiences, but in order to do that, you can't look back.
check out this video on you tube about emotional abuse and then compare that to the control tactics of the wts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwtadfic4kq&feature=related.
1 - making you feel worthless, without any value.. *** w55 1/15 p. 41 is your best good enough?
@ Chariklo - You have it absolutely right. That systematic process of humilation by the elders is where I stuck.
In effect, they did me a kindness, in disguise, because the whole house of cards fell down, and I saw it all for what it really is.
I got out while the going was good, and absolutely no way am I ever going near them again.
could not have said it better myself, for a minute there I thought I wrote that!
check out this video on you tube about emotional abuse and then compare that to the control tactics of the wts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwtadfic4kq&feature=related.
1 - making you feel worthless, without any value.. *** w55 1/15 p. 41 is your best good enough?
Loyal family members can no longer have spiritual fellowship with him. For example, if the disfellowshipped one is present, he would not participate when the family gets together to study the Bible. However, if the disfellowshipped one is a minor child, the parents are still responsible to instruct and discipline him. Hence, loving parents may arrange to conduct a Bible study with the child.—Proverbs 6:20-22; 29:17.
This is soooo stupid. See how they like to play on words by saying "loyal family members" loyal to who? To the "machine" not to God, because God does not have anything to do with Shunning but the WT&TS does. That's their own prize invention they twist the scriptures around to justify their wickedness. Also, how stupid is it to block a disfellowship person living in the home from the studying with the family, you would think they would encourage that to get them assimilated back into the bOrg. You can see how they contradict themselves so much and how riduclous their so-call directive is in each published article. Full of hate and spitefulness, nothing loving in that at all.
In other cases, the disfellowshipped relative may be living outside the immediate family circle and home. Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum. Loyal Christian family members do not look for excuses to have dealings with a disfellowshipped relative not living at home. Rather, loyalty to Jehovah and his organization moves them to uphold the Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping. Their loyal course has the best interests of the wrongdoer at heart and may help him to benefit from the discipline received.
Once again, they are reinforcing how they hold people's family members hostage.
Also why is the person who left whether via disfellowshipping, disassociated or whatever called a "wrongdoer". So if the person had a issue with the JW doctrine and was disfellowshipped for questioning the bOrg they are labeled a "wrongdoer"? How so? What is wrong with asking questions, disagreeing and/or asking for accurate proof? You get the label "wrongdoer" for that. Wow! Real foul shit to be calling somebody that and to speak maliciously about people's character, which the JW's love to do because they know the bOrg can't be sued for slander. Arrogrant and nasty aren't they. They don't care about people's emotional well-being. They act like the common school-yard bully.
found out that the land by itself was bought for cash at the tune of $1,250,000.00 - land size is approx 600 feet by 1000 feet - in the desert, small town between two major cities.
no idea what the building cost!
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Hmmmm.....It real easy to amass that kind of wealth when you can hide behind a 501c3, get the brothers and sisters to give away their labor for free, and all you do is take in and never give back! Hellva racket!
I wonder how their bottomline will be affected when the statue of limitation for child abuse cases is lifted?
wonder if the wt writing commity comes here to get ideas for their articles......you're not fooling anyone...... .
I wouldn't put it pass them sneaky you know whats
the insidious bind the watchtower religion places on their members is unconscionable.. holding family and friends "hostage" as an extortion strategy may be their most potent weapon of enforced conformity.. .
in effect, like an armed criminal who points a gun at you and threatens "your money or your life", the watchtower leadership.
holds the power to separate dissenting members from those whom they most cherish.
Everybody has to do what they think is best for them. This cult just tangles people's lives up into one big old mess, and they never look back at all the damage they cause, they just keep pushing ahead, busting up more and more families w/o a thought or a care for the lives they've impacted. I see this organization finally, very clearly for what it really is.
while you're busy not having "any" contact with your family and you need help, it's ok to contact your family because they are not going to help you.....
M*A*S*H and mind blown - I understand your point of view and I commend you for your stance.
I still love my sister, but I'm not going to make it conducive for her to use me and still cling to the organization. If she was in a desperate situation, yes, I would help her....but I want her to realize how messed up that whole situation would be if she could not reply on the very organization that has told her to distance herself from me. They tell her to walk away from me, but when she needs help, they talk out the other side of their mouth and say, "oh, well you better contact one of your relatives, because we don't that".
They make it seem like the organization is her family and that she does not need me anymore since I have left the bOrg. They repeatly say not to even "break bread with this person" to rely solely on God and the organization and by doing that (exercising faith, if you will) all of your needs, spiritually and otherwise will be met because you're among God's chosen people and God's hears your prayers and not their....so.....if they are speaking truth....why encourage JW's in the April magazine to use non-JW's or Ex-JW's relatives as their back-up plan?
I can see them spinning this as Jehovah "using me to help her" because she has been faithful in her stance not to deal with a D'fed relative unless it's an emergency. See, that's the type of B.S. I could see happening, while both her and organization get to play me for a fool, while she stays ignorantly devout and secure in her dealings with this cult.
the insidious bind the watchtower religion places on their members is unconscionable.. holding family and friends "hostage" as an extortion strategy may be their most potent weapon of enforced conformity.. .
in effect, like an armed criminal who points a gun at you and threatens "your money or your life", the watchtower leadership.
holds the power to separate dissenting members from those whom they most cherish.
I know I did'nt have as much to lose as others since only my sister is still in (the rest of my family and friends are not witnesses). I do miss my sister and I hate that she has taken the position to not speak to me and listen to them; but we are both grown adults and if that's what she chooses to do with her life, then this is where we part ways. I can't make someone do something they don't want to do, I can only control my environment, not someone else's.
Now they got her on a island by herself. No one is a JW but her and she knows damn well the witnesses are fair-weather friends. They will not be there when the going get tough like her own family. Yet these are the people she is putting her trust in so I hope it works out for her. I'm not going to frustrate myself or waste anymore of my life trying to convince someone they should leave, if it works for her, fine. I'm gone, I'm going to live MY life.
I can't live hiding, lying and ducking from people so I can stay in my sister's good grace, that's madness! I'm too old for that foolishness. Whatever I do am going to do it with integrity to myself, I can't live any other way. I refuse to live any other way.
Not only that, am a grown adult who is more than capable of taking care of myself and I hope to now be able to do for others as well in my community in the way of volunteering. So, I don't have to explain myself to anybody but Jesus Christ himself! The JW's are not my saviors, they are not my master, and they sure as hell can't judge me!
Sometimes we have to make very hard choices, and I know it can't be easy if the majority of your family, wife, husband, children, etc. are wrapped up in this cult. Yet if you stay and you know it's a lie, a sham - you are just killing yourself slowing.
In my opinion, that's no way to live and am sorry, I'm not going to end up depressed, on medication, lonely, frustrated, unfulfilled, unable to pursue the goals that make me whole and complete and enjoy the little things in life without being made to feel guility just to push watchtowers and awakes for some big-box printing corporation who could gives two blankie-blanks about me, cause they got my other family members by the throat.
I can only pray she comes to her senses, like I did - but I ain't looking back.
while you're busy not having "any" contact with your family and you need help, it's ok to contact your family because they are not going to help you.....
It's amazes me how selfish the W&TS can be. Getting all that money from selling their real estate holdings in Brooklyn, estate money from dead members, contributions, free labor from all JW's (got folks cleaning the damn bathroom with suits on, cause they too cheap to hire a janitoral service and put a small-business to work in the community - selfish bastards) etc. and can't do one damn thing for any of their active members in KH if they need the help. Shameful.
They villianize the churches but one thing I can say about most of the churches, they at least have outreach ministries. In the city I live in, they do try to help in the way of food banks, temporary assistance with clothing, utilities and rent. JW don't do any of that for their members or even the community they set-up their KH's in, they do not give back!
That in my opinion, is extremely selfish, uncaring and short-sighted. Yet just one more reason on top of many, many more why I was done with hypocritical, hate-promoting organization.
i've been invited to a party by my co-worker and i'm going!
this is the first 'wordly' event i'll be attending since getting disfellowshipped.
i'm a little scared and apprehesive but i'm also ready to get my life back.
@ Nice_Dream - I'm going to major in Graphic Design with a concentration on advertising. I'm going for a two year degree first because I think that goal is more reasonable for me at this point, because am attending part-time and working a full-time job. After I complete the A.A.S. I will see if I want to do the other two years and get an undergraduate. Right now creating a reasonable and obtainable goal of two-years degree works for me since I won't complete it until January of 2015.
@ undercover - Oh trust, I won't, I've have not been in the organization that long compared to other people, so I still know how to party and keep my head straight! Plus, I'm driving so I won't be doing anything but having a beer at best! Thanks for the advice though!
