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  Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

  by pale.emperor in

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  ok, this is from 2006. but someone on reddit mentioned it and posted a link.

  my word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b2fynzabupqfsnvqtxjmyxjvmgm/view.

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  pale.emperor

  Your quote from the letter (?) says no JC, but your comment says it would be a JC??
  

  Sorry, i misread, a result of me laughing and reading at the same time.
  
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  Feel like I've failed

  by Mr Negative in

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  i need to get this off my chest, as i don't have many people to talk to about it who would understand.. i feel like i've failed my family, as not only have i been unable to get my parents and brother to see sense regarding the cult, but now my sister, who never got baptised but managed to escape twenty years ago, is now seriously considering going back for various "emotional" reasons, and i know that she won't listen to me.. i know they have all made their own decisions (at least, to the extent that brainwashed people can make their own decisions), and i can't really blame myself (even though i was the one who, when only ten years old, convinced my mum to listen to the poor lady on the doorstep out of politeness rather than just shut the door on her - so it is all indirectly my fault), but it still feels like i've failed them..

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  Hardly. Anyone can be recruited into a cult. All those years ago when you convinced your mum to listen you did what you considered to be best at that time.

  Your sister returning for emotional reasons is quite common. People can be out for decades and then go back, the cult never left them entirely. And they think they need to be accepted by someone outside of themselves.

  It's not your responsibility for peoples reactions or decisions mate. Your family will see sense eventually, either when they're old and the big A still hasn't come. Or some scandal is exposed in the future. But even then it's down to them how they'll process that information.

  The only thing we can do is work on ourselves.
  
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  Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, this is from 2006. but someone on reddit mentioned it and posted a link.

  my word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b2fynzabupqfsnvqtxjmyxjvmgm/view.

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  pale.emperor

  Ok, this is from 2006. But someone on Reddit mentioned it and posted a link. My word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:
  

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2fYNzAbUpqFSnVQTXJMYXJVMGM/view

  My favorite parts:

  When the body of elders becomes aware that a brother has deliberately viewed pornography, two elders should be assigned to share with him Scriptural counsel. (Gal. 6:1) Timely information should also be considered from articles such as: “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Is It Possible To Overcome Bad Habits?” in the April 8, 2004, Awake!; “The Harm Pornography Causes” in the July 22, 2003, Awake!; “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Pornography—Is It Just a Harmless Diversion?” in the July 8, 2002, Awake!; and the series of articles “Internet Pornography—What Harm Can It Do?” in the June 8, 2000, Awake!

  After the initial visit, one of the assigned elders should periodically check with the brother to see how he is doing, giving him any further encouragement that may be necessary. Since he has been involved in unclean conduct, it is important that he get the help he needs to overcome this weakness and serve Jehovah with a clean conscience once again.

  A few things of note here. First off, they're using their magazines and not the bible to reason with someone. Secondly, they're going to check on the brother? Many women like porn too! And dont forget, if you look at porn you're weak!
  

  If an appointed servant inadvertently comes across a pornographic image while on the Internet, or in some other way, and he reports this to an elder, such matters can generally be handled according to the direction in the Kingdom Ministry School textbook, page 97, paragraphs 4-7. There is no need to evaluate his qualifications.

  Yep, even if you see something naughty by accident, you're still expected to turn yourself in.

  However, if an elder or ministerial servant deliberately views pornography, the body of elders will need to give the matter careful and prayerful consideration. First, two elders should be assigned to meet with the brother and obtain the answers to the following questions: Did he voluntarily come forward? Did it consist of a few brief incidents, or was it a consistent practice spanning many months, or years? What type of pornography was he looking at? Was it accompanied by masturbation? When was his last instance of viewing pornography? If married, and his wife is aware of his problem, what effect has this had on her? Who else is aware of the problem? Does he still have their respect? Has he demonstrated a sincere desire to desist from viewing pornography? Does his own conscience allow him to continue serving in an appointed position?

  Oh so many details needed! I cant help but think some of those elders are getting off on this. The poor guy could have avoided all of this by not turning himself in. If he was turned in by somebody else he should have asked if there were two witnesses. We all know the rule (2 x WITNESSES = GUILTY) but (-2 WITNESSES = LEAVE MATTERS IN JEHOVAHS HANDS) (no pun intended).

  On the other hand, if (1) he has developed a pattern of seeking pornography, or (2) on several occasions has viewed abhorrent forms of pornography that are sexually degrading, which might include child pornography, sadistic torture, bondage, gang rape, or the brutalizing of women, this would disqualify him from serving.

  Ho-ho! Looks like someone in Bethel has been busy on the internet. I've never heard of some of those things... We all like a bit of bondage, role play and slap and tickle from time to time Mr Watchtower. Live a little.

  Further, viewing hetero-oral or anal sex (on a video or computer), while certainly unclean, is not to be considered “gross” or “judicial,” though it may lead to removal as an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer depending on the frequency and when it last occurred. With regard to viewing oral (or anal) sex of a homosexual or group nature, this is more serious.
  However, it would still not be considered uncleanness of a “gross” nature meriting judicial action, but likely would result in removal from an appointed privilege of service.

  Ok so there you have it. You can watch a man and woman having oral or anal sex on a screen and there will be no JC but if you watch two people of the same sex on TV then it does warrant a JC. Otherwise Jehovah will cry. Who thinks all of this up? This is exactly like the Pharisee's of Jesus day. Rules upon rules upon rules.

  All of this can be avoided by having your own conscience and just not telling anybody. I mean, whos business is it anyway? If someone does have a "problem" of looking at porn which is affecting their life in some negative way then i would think a properly trained therapist would be the ideal person to approach. Not a bus driver and a gardener in your local KH.

  So glad im out of this cult.
  
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  Some Things Just Dont Add Up, How Did We Miss This???

  by pale.emperor in

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  some things i just didnt notice at the time which now seem so obvious:.

  the bible tells us that the end will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect it.

  (matthew 24:44).

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  Isn't it sad that they'd need permission and guidance on how to treat a book? Anyone with a penis cant spiral bind it. Because, you know, they just might read it. And we can have women reading our secret book now can we?

  Remind me of how this is nothing like the Catholic Church repressing people owning or reading a book (the bible)?
  
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  After all these years, I finally made it to Brooklyn Bethel!

  by dubstepped in

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  pale.emperor

  Love this. You were kinder than i would have been though. I'dve taken a leak on the wall.
  
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  Jerry Lewis

  by glenster in

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  rip march 16, 1926 to aug.20, 2017 he was too conservative for me about a few things but he was my biologicalmother and you never forget a woman like that.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xejfsfmbfqs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kamg9lizw&t=87s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkog-wi9_2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxz769dgae.

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  Loved Jerry Lewis as a kid. Most kids in my school had never heard of him so i got to be funny be ripping off old time comedians jokes.

  I read somewhere that he used to visit Stan Laurel in his home and get advice on comedy writing.
  
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  Some Things Just Dont Add Up, How Did We Miss This???

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some things i just didnt notice at the time which now seem so obvious:.

  the bible tells us that the end will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect it.

  (matthew 24:44).

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  pale.emperor

  Some things i just didnt notice at the time which now seem so obvious:

  The bible tells us that the end will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect it. (Matthew 24:44)
  

  Yes the JWs are told to "Keep in expectation!" (WT Aug 2015)... so by expecting it, they're actually delaying it.

  Women in the bible are never regarded as anything more than something to have sex with or something to sell.
  

  Let her breasts satisfy* you at all times. Proverbs 5:19

  “If two men get into a fight with each other and the wife of the one intervenes to protect her husband from the one striking him and she reaches out her hand and grabs hold of him by his private parts, 12 you must amputate her hand. You* should not feel sorry. - Deut 25:11-12

  Here are my virgin daughter and this man’s concubine. Let me bring them out, and you can humiliate them if you must.*+ But you must not commit this disgraceful act toward this man.” 25 But the men refused to listen to him, so the man grabbed hold of his concubine+ and brought her outside to them. They raped her and abused her all night long until the morning. Then they sent her away at the break of dawn. - Judges 19:24-25

  (Why any woman would have respect for the bible baffles me).

  The heart of the understanding one acquires knowledge,+And the ear of the wise seeks to find knowledge. - Proverbs 18:15
  

  Yet the Watchtower Society strongly discourages higher education. Awake! Oct 2015 even said this:

  Take steps to find employment. Use the time you would have been working to apply for jobs. A caution: Some people would tell you to “follow your dreams” when it comes to a career. But looking for your ‘dream career’ likely will narrow your options for work and blind you to employment opportunities that are right in front of you! Rather than waste time focusing on a particular type of work, keep your options open. Remember, more important than what you do is becoming proficient at what you do. In fact, it has been observed that the more experience and skill workers acquire, the more they enjoy their work. You don’t have to do what you love in order to love what you do! [emphasis mine]

  The so-called demon possessed people in the New Testament are very clearly suffering from mental illness or epilepsy. People back then wouldn't have known about mental illness. The Jews believed that sin causes people to become sick, the ancient Greeks thought that the gods influence human behavior.
  

  There's no mention in the bible of the Americas, North or South poles, Australasia or Northern Europe. You'd think an all knowing God would inform his people of this, and most likely want to speak to and guide those people too.

  Every miracle in the bible apparently took place in a relatively small part of the world. From Egypt to Italy, and Iraq to Turkey.
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  Religious Fanatic Mother

  by LickingMyWounds in

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  i have been faded for 5 years raising my kid after jw wife cheated on me.

  i go to the memorial here and there.

  my mother is a pioneer.

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  It is indeed a toxic "religion". Turns decent, kind human beings into delusional, paranoid, guilt trippers. Im sorry to hear of the passing of your fiancee. Its sad that your mother reacted that way.

  My mother tells people im dead, i found the best thing to do was to write her a letter cutting her off from my family. I've felt a lot better since doing this. It's taken away the power she believed she had on me by her shunning me.

  Im not gonna tell you what to do, but none of us need toxic people or things in our lives.
  
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  Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

  by Isambard Crater in

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  that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

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  I'd take this with a pinch of salt at best. These are the same people that said a toy smurph got up and walked out of an assembley hall remember.
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  Chapter 19 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower Slave

  by new boy in

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  chapter 19.

  “look ma no hands”.

  by the time the summer rolled around they decided to put me on the dryers.

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  WRITE A BOOK!

  Please! This would make a great book or apostle movie