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  Just when you thought things couldn't get any lower ...

  by Tallon in

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  now they are really scraping the barrel.

  check out this discussion on exjw reddit .... https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6v85y9/pioneer_school_today/?st=j6nwx7ny&sh=136a59c9.

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  Dont forget folks:

  "This is the best imperfect organization on earth!" - Anthony Morris III
  
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  How do you find reddit

  by joe134cd in

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  just curious but how do the people off this forum find reddit.

  for myself i find reddit to be sadly lacking in the jw world.

  i just don't find the depth there e.g one sentence replies, trying to be funny.

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  I find Reddit a pain to navigate. It feels like im using a 1990s version of the internet.

  As regards to Lloyd Evans, i dont know much about him, i do enjoy his videos but will i shite spend £26.75 on his book. I'll wait until it's on eBay 2nd hand for a few quid. I mean it's not as if he's covering his losses or anything, it was funded with a "go fund me" page wasnt it?
  
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  Relaxed rules toward oral sex?

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  these people won't state anything definitively, but here's an excerpt from the study article entitled "making christian marriage a success", in the august, 2016 watchtower.

  it does make me wonder.. although the bible does not provide specific rules about the kinds and limits of love play that might be associated with natural, sexual intimacy, it mentions displays of affection.

  (song of solomon 1:2; 2:6) christian marriage partners should treat each other with tenderness.

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  I remember coming home from a BBQ that was only for "brothers" while the "sisters" were having a little get-together in one of their houses. When i got home my then-wife told me that the sisters had been talking about it and if it's "allowed". The elders wives except one all said it wasn't for Christians, the one elders wife that thought it was ok was a hot younger woman too.

  My ex's friends decided that to be on the safe side they'd stop doing it.

  This isnt a cult or anything.
  
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  JW match.com. Any good?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  hi all.. no i'm not about to join 😉.

  the mrs would never forgive me lol.

  but out of curiosity, does anyone know of any individuals who have successfully met someone this way?.

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  Just checked it out. It's slim pickings in the North West i see. One or two babes but we'd never know if they're even genuine. Dating sites create fake profiles to reel people in all the time.
  
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  Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

  by pale.emperor in

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  ok, this is from 2006. but someone on reddit mentioned it and posted a link.

  my word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b2fynzabupqfsnvqtxjmyxjvmgm/view.

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  Funny thing is, there does exist Jehovah's Witness themed porn out there on in interweb... i mean, er... so i've heard.
  
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  Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

  by pale.emperor in

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  ok, this is from 2006. but someone on reddit mentioned it and posted a link.

  my word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b2fynzabupqfsnvqtxjmyxjvmgm/view.

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  Your quote from the letter (?) says no JC, but your comment says it would be a JC??
  

  Sorry, i misread, a result of me laughing and reading at the same time.
  
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  Feel like I've failed

  by Mr Negative in

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  i need to get this off my chest, as i don't have many people to talk to about it who would understand.. i feel like i've failed my family, as not only have i been unable to get my parents and brother to see sense regarding the cult, but now my sister, who never got baptised but managed to escape twenty years ago, is now seriously considering going back for various "emotional" reasons, and i know that she won't listen to me.. i know they have all made their own decisions (at least, to the extent that brainwashed people can make their own decisions), and i can't really blame myself (even though i was the one who, when only ten years old, convinced my mum to listen to the poor lady on the doorstep out of politeness rather than just shut the door on her - so it is all indirectly my fault), but it still feels like i've failed them..

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  Hardly. Anyone can be recruited into a cult. All those years ago when you convinced your mum to listen you did what you considered to be best at that time.

  Your sister returning for emotional reasons is quite common. People can be out for decades and then go back, the cult never left them entirely. And they think they need to be accepted by someone outside of themselves.

  It's not your responsibility for peoples reactions or decisions mate. Your family will see sense eventually, either when they're old and the big A still hasn't come. Or some scandal is exposed in the future. But even then it's down to them how they'll process that information.

  The only thing we can do is work on ourselves.
  
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  Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, this is from 2006. but someone on reddit mentioned it and posted a link.

  my word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b2fynzabupqfsnvqtxjmyxjvmgm/view.

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  Ok, this is from 2006. But someone on Reddit mentioned it and posted a link. My word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:
  

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2fYNzAbUpqFSnVQTXJMYXJVMGM/view

  My favorite parts:

  When the body of elders becomes aware that a brother has deliberately viewed pornography, two elders should be assigned to share with him Scriptural counsel. (Gal. 6:1) Timely information should also be considered from articles such as: “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Is It Possible To Overcome Bad Habits?” in the April 8, 2004, Awake!; “The Harm Pornography Causes” in the July 22, 2003, Awake!; “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Pornography—Is It Just a Harmless Diversion?” in the July 8, 2002, Awake!; and the series of articles “Internet Pornography—What Harm Can It Do?” in the June 8, 2000, Awake!

  After the initial visit, one of the assigned elders should periodically check with the brother to see how he is doing, giving him any further encouragement that may be necessary. Since he has been involved in unclean conduct, it is important that he get the help he needs to overcome this weakness and serve Jehovah with a clean conscience once again.

  A few things of note here. First off, they're using their magazines and not the bible to reason with someone. Secondly, they're going to check on the brother? Many women like porn too! And dont forget, if you look at porn you're weak!
  

  If an appointed servant inadvertently comes across a pornographic image while on the Internet, or in some other way, and he reports this to an elder, such matters can generally be handled according to the direction in the Kingdom Ministry School textbook, page 97, paragraphs 4-7. There is no need to evaluate his qualifications.

  Yep, even if you see something naughty by accident, you're still expected to turn yourself in.

  However, if an elder or ministerial servant deliberately views pornography, the body of elders will need to give the matter careful and prayerful consideration. First, two elders should be assigned to meet with the brother and obtain the answers to the following questions: Did he voluntarily come forward? Did it consist of a few brief incidents, or was it a consistent practice spanning many months, or years? What type of pornography was he looking at? Was it accompanied by masturbation? When was his last instance of viewing pornography? If married, and his wife is aware of his problem, what effect has this had on her? Who else is aware of the problem? Does he still have their respect? Has he demonstrated a sincere desire to desist from viewing pornography? Does his own conscience allow him to continue serving in an appointed position?

  Oh so many details needed! I cant help but think some of those elders are getting off on this. The poor guy could have avoided all of this by not turning himself in. If he was turned in by somebody else he should have asked if there were two witnesses. We all know the rule (2 x WITNESSES = GUILTY) but (-2 WITNESSES = LEAVE MATTERS IN JEHOVAHS HANDS) (no pun intended).

  On the other hand, if (1) he has developed a pattern of seeking pornography, or (2) on several occasions has viewed abhorrent forms of pornography that are sexually degrading, which might include child pornography, sadistic torture, bondage, gang rape, or the brutalizing of women, this would disqualify him from serving.

  Ho-ho! Looks like someone in Bethel has been busy on the internet. I've never heard of some of those things... We all like a bit of bondage, role play and slap and tickle from time to time Mr Watchtower. Live a little.

  Further, viewing hetero-oral or anal sex (on a video or computer), while certainly unclean, is not to be considered “gross” or “judicial,” though it may lead to removal as an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer depending on the frequency and when it last occurred. With regard to viewing oral (or anal) sex of a homosexual or group nature, this is more serious.
  However, it would still not be considered uncleanness of a “gross” nature meriting judicial action, but likely would result in removal from an appointed privilege of service.

  Ok so there you have it. You can watch a man and woman having oral or anal sex on a screen and there will be no JC but if you watch two people of the same sex on TV then it does warrant a JC. Otherwise Jehovah will cry. Who thinks all of this up? This is exactly like the Pharisee's of Jesus day. Rules upon rules upon rules.

  All of this can be avoided by having your own conscience and just not telling anybody. I mean, whos business is it anyway? If someone does have a "problem" of looking at porn which is affecting their life in some negative way then i would think a properly trained therapist would be the ideal person to approach. Not a bus driver and a gardener in your local KH.

  So glad im out of this cult.
  
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  Some Things Just Dont Add Up, How Did We Miss This???

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  some things i just didnt notice at the time which now seem so obvious:.

  the bible tells us that the end will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect it.

  (matthew 24:44).

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  Isn't it sad that they'd need permission and guidance on how to treat a book? Anyone with a penis cant spiral bind it. Because, you know, they just might read it. And we can have women reading our secret book now can we?

  Remind me of how this is nothing like the Catholic Church repressing people owning or reading a book (the bible)?
  
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  After all these years, I finally made it to Brooklyn Bethel!

  by dubstepped in

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  Love this. You were kinder than i would have been though. I'dve taken a leak on the wall.